How many of those a currently active enough to play in clans? Because there's barely 100 on at a time and few games going.

Figures are factual, but when the conclusions drawn are invalid then you might as well not bother using them. Or are you suggesting that all those 6860 members not in clans prefer 10 second shot clocks? Because statistically the proportion of people should be the same in the clan member population and the non clan member population. Now that's a fact . Meaning the mention of that figure is completely irrelevant because you are catering for a minority of member in general not the minority who play in clans.

wow have I hit a nerve my son

no I see many, many players online, who don't play clan pool for many reasons

1) the crap that goes with it
2) self opinionated people spoiling it
3) formats
4) people who don't even know where to look
5) players who are on enough but don't think they are
6) time zones (really miss these guys)
7) players who don't even know what a clan is
(should be called teams)

there are many many more
I see on average, lots of old and new players
shame there isn't a notification that tells future clan (team) players
all about them and where to go to join

and it needs to be a fun link

back to the point
mine was an idea, some one who can play speed and long games, play all formats has to be a true champ
surely that's right isn't it a true all rounder

a 100 metre sprinter isn't going to win a marathon or vice versa
but who gets the most publicity

easy answer

the fastest man on the planet take your blinkers off
why not give it a go

Your comparison doesnt work. Short and long distance running is completely different. Pool is pool.
I seem to remember that you like tennis. What you're suggesting is that you would prefer a system where you play best of 1 instead of best of 5 set matches. And instead of playing each set to 6 games, you would prefer a race to 3.
Do you see where this leads? It might be exciting, but it becomes a total crapshoot. Im not saying this needs to be a ridiculously huge format, but it should remain something that gives skill a small advantage over luck.

1 and 2 go hand on hand and that is the main cause why people don't join, but you're overestimating the quantity of people.

3 doesn't make sense because we have a varied format arias the board which isn't too dissimilar from what is offer from he site anyway, so it's not a particularly off putting thing. Or would you rather have an awkward format to get 1 or 2 more joining?

4, if someone does to know then they would click "clan and league" chat and see the clan waiting list or they would post on a league forum. It's fairly straightforward so I'm not sure how you think these droves of people would join but aren't sure if "clan and league" is the right forum for clans, and yet refuse to ask anyone for help.

5 is down to each player to decide if they are on enough or not. What is enough for one person might not be for another and there may be reasons hidden from you like they can't commit regularly because they aren't sure if they will be able to get on a laptop because other people may be using it.

6 you can't do anything about, timezones are pretty immovable obstacles for clans and players.

7 is clutching at straws.


Style of play and speed of play are irrelevant to determining the quality of the player. You can change these and still have a good player all round. Where players have even chances with no advantage towards a particular style is what would decide the best player.

mine was an idea, some one who can play speed and long games, play all formats has to be a true champ

For that you would need all game types played in all styles, not home and away format.

The analogy is completely invalid. Look at sports which are similar instead of comparing two different sports. They allowed the same format but increase the games for the later stages, why? Because the best always win like that.

Edited at 06:11 Sun 05/04/15 (BST)

again a true champion is an adaptable player
something your avoiding and over looking

and again players may not take the 5 or 10 second option
however they may want to

and Seb I don't like tennis
however players play the best of 3 and best of 5
they play on clay, grass and synthetic surfaces
hot and cold, indoor and outdoor

is that not being adaptable
and a true champion is always found

after all its only hitting a ball and using and instrument to hit it

No, I've already agreed that a champion should be an adaptable player. I disagree that it is the sole primary trait like you keep repeatedly suggesting.

I've never said otherwise to that, yet you have avoided the inclusion of 90 second games basing that on people who like shorter games shouldn't have to wait which is completely unfair to slower players. If you include 5 and 10 seconds you have to allow long types.

In tennis you only play on one surface per competition so your point makes no sense again.

Think of it like this: the more trials, the closer to the true outcome. Flip a coin once and you get as far away from the true chance of it landing on either side (100-0 instead of 50-50). But the more trials then the closer to 50-50 you get. Same with matches on here, over 6 frames an underdog can win but the longer format will allow the best player to show their class. Adaptability is a trait of a top player not the measure of them.

Longer frames the better player wins, simple as that really as i proved with mich yesterday, both crap 6-1 down (match over) but then i get it to 6-6, If it was first to 9 i would win 9-8 as thats first time i went ahead, it got to 11 each then i played well to win 6 in a row.

Stats wise, mich is ALOT better than myself except maybe Straight but on the day it proved frames even out over time and the person in form wins a lot of the time.

Home and Away could work but i think you need a concrete format as in our event i think it has taken 4-5 weeks for the group stage and still may need defaults which isn't good enough.

Players Championship has been very good throughout the seasons i have been here and this is the only one that works, shouldn't be ruined by changing the entire format.

I agree with longer format from Quarters or even from Semis with Best of 19 for those which is 6 of each + 1 tie breaker, and Best of 25 Final with 8 Frames of each + 1 tie breaker.

People say breaks can't be uneven but if you have even frames how do you determine a tie? unless you do +2 ahead like we did for a Power Tournament:

http://www.funkysnooker.com/thread/9061/wimbeldon-world-championship-power-tournament/1

But what type do you choose etc.

Raise frames but stick to basics

Ignoring all the drivel on the last page....

I think this is a genuinely good idea. I've never liked the tie break rule as I find it a bit clunky. The only thing would be how you decide what format to play.

Could either cycle through the formats playing one frame of each until someone goes one ahead or it could be a play off of one frame of each (8US, 9 Ball and 8UK obviously).

Any others not wanting included, please post here

I assume this is open only to clan players, yes?

Yeah but there's still time and space

Joiiiin ussss, Joiiiiin usss

you sound desperate Jimmy

What will the format be and when will the draw be done?

Not sure, i'm guessing the same format but longer frames close to the Final.

Draw not sure either, need Keith to post but may start fairly soon as hes asked for those who don't want to play to post

I thought I'd post to tell you I don't know the format or when the draw will be done either and you need to wait for keith to post.

you're welcome

The format hasn't been confirmed and the draw will be done in the foreseeable future

Last chance to post if you don't want to take part, I aim to get this started asap

Players Championship is launched...

Round 1 games can be found here...

http://funkypoolclanleagues.weebly.com/round-1.html

Fixture deadline is Midnight UK on 26th April 2015