I'm quite happy with the bonus points, makes for some quality attacking frames and adds some tension where there might not be any (for example a late runout can change a game completely and so the game isn't over till the last frame.

An option is like to see discussed is increasing frames in each round

more frames, yes. still don't like the bonuses though

Cant it be a FCL format match? that way you wont need the bonus points and the match can never finish a draw, so would be a better outcome.

OR could it if ends as a draw be won by the player who scored the most events?

I think the events bonuses add that little bit of spice to the competition, will lose it's identity if take them away i feel. Not everyone participates in it as it is. I'd like to think that ALL PLAYERS if registered for a team next season, participation could be made mandatory - obviously defaults are defaults but no one should just say nah cba.

I'd suggest two things;

1 - Scrap bonuses.

They are fine in a normal SL game as they are a tiny proportion of the total points. I.e. A bonus in one fixture scores 2 points but there are 47 points left to play for. However in an individual match there are only 11 points on offer after a bonus which is a ridiculous proportion. Between the top players more often than not bonuses decide the match.

2 - Increase to 6 frames of 8US, 9Ball & 8UK. Although this is personal preference I'd rather this competition have it's own format. In individual races longer formats are best. Has to be an even number of each type so that breaks are shared. 4 seems too short, 8 seems too long.

Any knock out game of any length will need a set order of games so that at least some games of each type are guaranteed to be played.

1) is there anything wrong with that? Me vs turtle finished 6-6, but with Turtle getting a runout he won. On the balance of play that was spot on, the frames were even and 6-6 was about right, but he won his frames with a bit more quality an a late runout didn't give me much of a chance. Without bonuses I would've had the choice of final frame and potentially would've knocked out the better player of the match.

2) I'm happy with this, but I think some of the less serious laters wouldnt. Perhaps 4 early on, 6 in later rounds and 8 in the final. Or potentially preliminary rounds if seeding is brought back in and you could have shorter match lengths for those.

Yes, there is something seriously wrong with that. Your match might be an exception in your opinion. If people can't see that then it's a lost cause.

A run-out to one of the top players is nothing. It's just another way of winning a frame. It's nothing special, we can all do them.

It's just a clearance of the table, means absolutely nothing. I don't really care if someone clears off my break or off of there break, at the end of the day all they have done is win the frame.

It's just a gimmicky idea that artificially adds a point to someone for winning a frame via something that is deemed special when it really isn't anything to brag home about.

As I said yesterday, they did have a reason in a best of nine contest and that was to try and take as many games as possible into the third and final game type.

If the TPC is to be the primary clan singles event then I agree that it should be this game in its purest form - without bonuses.

I propose to keep all Rounds up to the last 16 at 12 racks

Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Final at 18 racks

All with the same existing tie breaker rule.

Games can be in any order mutually agreed by the two players, however the default order will be...

For 12 rack games

2 8 Ball
2 9 Ball
4 UK 8 Ball
2 9 Ball
2 8 Ball

For 18 rack games

2 8 Ball
4 UK 8 Ball
4 9 Ball
2 UK 8 Ball
4 8 Ball
2 9 Ball

Edited at 21:58 Thu 20/11/14 (GMT)

18 rack game would have to be 2 x 8us, 9us, 8uk three times. An odd amount of breaks could result in an uneven amount of breaks for the two players (potentially a 12-6 split).

Other than that I'm fine with the above as long as it doesn't change midseason.

Good point - although a mixed 4 and 2 I think gives a better consistency and evens up the number of US and UK racks in the early stages?

But of course both players could still opt to play 4, 4 and 4 or 6, 6 and 6 of each type if they wish. The default order is only where there is no agreement.

Edited at 22:02 Thu 20/11/14 (GMT)

I'd imagine most would play the types all at once rather than cycle through them more than once. As long as there are even breaks in each type it doesn't matter.

I've never played anyone who has been bothered about order before.

The only time it should ever matter is where both players have different particular favourite game types and each insist that theirs isn't the one played third up in case the match is already over by then.

I like the longer match in the late stages, and the absence of bonuses. and I see the need for a set order in case it can't be agreed on.
but in the 18 rack matches, the majority of the 8us games seem to be getting put off till the end (only 2 games played in the first 12), 8us would be under-utilized if the match ended early.
How about:
4 8 Ball
4 UK 8 Ball
4 9 Ball
2 8 Ball
2 UK 8 Ball
2 9 Ball
The point being 4,4,4, then 2,2,2, in an attempt to ensure at least 4 games of each type will be played before it's decided. Still doesn't quite guarantee it, but makes it more likely. We'd have 4 of each played after 12 games instead of 14.

Edited at 00:22 Fri 21/11/14 (GMT)

I think the point is the same. Someone that loved nine ball (or whichever was the third game type) could be 8-0 down before they even get a chance in their favourite game type if its 4, 4 and 4.

You can switch the 8 and 9 ball games around, but all I was trying to make happen was that after the first 12 racks - 6 would have been on a US table and 6 on a UK table. Because its generally the preference of game table (pocket shapes etc) that makes the most, if any, difference for players.

4, 4 and 4 makes it an 8 - 4 split in favour of US table games after 12 racks.

It is all a minor point since, as has been stated, I am fairly sure most players would not be bothered and would simply go with the 6, 6, and 6 anyway.

Edited at 00:47 Fri 21/11/14 (GMT)

I thought it was about the order of game types, not game table types.
Keeping game types as even as possible was what I was after. The way you have it set, the match could be over when only 2 8us games have been played, vs 4 9us and all 6 8uk (if it ended with 12 games played).
You're right about it not mattering very often anyway.

How's this, if you want game table types somewhat evened out too (although I think that's unfairly in favor of people who prefer 8uk, but something has to be first anyway), make it 4,4,4, and 2,2,2, but with 8uk first and 4th. Wouldn't completely solve your concern, but it would help, same with mine.

Edited at 01:40 Fri 21/11/14 (GMT)

I think for most players there is a bigger overall difference between the two tables, the pockets as well as the rules of the game than there is between 8US and 9US.

But what does everyone think? What should be the default game order if for any reason players dont want to do 4, 4 and 4 or 6, 6 and 6?

Or it could just be made simple and kept as

6 US8
6 UK8
6 US9

??

Edited at 12:24 Fri 21/11/14 (GMT)

The Players Championship

Please can Captains, Vice Captains or any other nominated rep canvass your team members and let me have a list of all players that wish to take part in this competition this season. This is to reduce unplayed games.

Lists to be provided by 14th December please. Will try and avoid there being any TPC games scheduled over the Christmas/New Year period.

Thanks

The Players Championship

The Round 1 draw has been made and can be found here...

http://funkypoolclanleagues.weebly.com/round-1.html

There is a long deadline for these games over Christmas and New Year - Midnight UK 4/1/15

Matches are 12 racks (4 each of 8 Ball, 9 Ball and UK8), no Event Bonuses, and the same tie-break rule as before.

I didn't get entrant lists for all clans so I have only omitted players where I have seen posts, or received messages, to omit them.

My player has been off 8 days xD just thought id say

chris