All you need is the amount of players in each indiv league / by the amount of sets in the league = simple runnings

you need fixtures for this to work

Thank you ^^^^^^^ someone who agrees

Need to scrap it and do a knock out tourney for each game type as per dgens suggestion, with structured fixtures.

More than half the games don't get played on individuals at the moment.

totally agree

fixtures are the way forward

Knock out ????? its not required .

Do it by this and as i said if it is not played a 0-0 goes against both ........no default.

A possible alternative structure if you don't want set fixtures.

Keep the formats as they are now with all of the current rules in place regarding playing own team members etc. Set a cut off deadline which could be with 4 weeks to go in the season (two fixture sets). Then in the last 4 weeks have playoff semi-finals and finals - two weeks for each (1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd).

To qualify for the play-offs players must have played a minimum number of games and set this figure quite high. This should encourage games to be played as someone who has played more games and made a lot of effort has the chance of qualifying at the expense of someone who hasnt played enough games or made much effort - even though they might be winning all those games they do play.

For example - from the current US8 Individual League Table. If the minimum fixtures required had been set at 8 games, punkpoet and cke1982 would be sitting in the play-off positions even though they are currently 11th and 19th respectively on results. Others know they would have to make an effort and play games if they want to qualify.

Edit - I actually think you could lift the rules/restrictions on playing your own clan members as anyone can afford to lose a few games and still qualify. It would all be about playing enough games to qualify and, only then, having enough points to qualify. You can lose to your biggest rival in the regular season and know you still have another shot in the play-offs.

Edited at 12:26 Sat 21/01/12 (GMT)

that is a good idea

regarding the horse/chris discussion snooker is having this same discussion and we may have some up with a solution.

to be able to sub in games already started but not finished BOTH captains has to agree for the sub to take place (points would count), if one captain does not agree then its like the current guidelines and go to default.

mandatory subbing would include a "Ban" or a "Deactivated" user who can no longer reactivate in that scenario you can sub without captains consent. in the games where people "Rage Quit" etc what does not include "Bans" or "Deactivation" then you need captains consent.

thoughts?

yh i like it

If a captain does not agree is that taken into account at all in the default process? And if so what weight is placed on that refusal? Otherwise, apart from any one person's spirit of 'lets just play the game no matter what', what incentive is there to agree to the sub?

Edited at 12:27 Sat 21/01/12 (GMT)

Almost. On snooker, the sub would be made and the game restarted at 0-0.
Again, both captains must agree.

if your idea does go ahead chris i think you should be able to complete at least 60% of your games, people who really put effort in should be able to complete at least 75%

it would go heavily against the clan who refused to sub im guessing but at the same time there must be a reason to ask for a sub in the first place

Not for me - that bit in bold.

I actually preferred my suggestion (obviously ) as I could not see a downside to it at all. It offered a penalty against the clan but with a chance to reduce it. Plus it did not affect the opposing clan unduly or any other team in the division. But nevermind

Restarting from 0-0 offers no penalty against the clan causing the problem in the first place but actually does penalise the opposing player who has in effect completely wasted their time in the games already played.

Additionally with that, and Keith's suggestion of unrestricted subs, presumably both sides have the right to sub?

Player A leads 5-0 against Player B who does not finish the game. Player C (who might happen to be a better player) subs in for Player B so then Player A's captain asks Player D (who is also a better player) to sub in for Player A to start again from 0-0, or complete the remaining racks, depending on whose rule it is?

Edited at 12:51 Sat 21/01/12 (GMT)

Yes I would envisage somewhere between 60% and 75% depending on the numbers taking part in each league. A higher percentage for leagues with smaller numbers of players and vice-versa.

I know chris, I was just correcting dgen's description of what will be done on snooker.
Wasn't a suggestion for here.

it cost am honest i believe in everyone having a far go at it no point them entering the cup then
must lower rank players have no chance only the ones that reset they accounts
all the big boys will just knock them out you lot always thing about yourself s
sorry am not like that as i said am honest i like to see everyone have a far crack at the whip
its all ways in favour on the top rank players
am not moaning for myself i just believe every body should have a chance to win it simple really

Yes we had more defaults than anyone else but Underdogs had 12 as well last fixture doesn't that tell you something? you know i really respected MVP to the highest regard and it was the clan i always wanted to join but because of this and 'not letting the past go' i have seriously reconsidered (not that i would ever be invited as im only average on the tables).

Like i said there was 3 games that was totally unplayable, whocares8x8 vs chris due to the bogus sub, and both my games vs flabotd and great_player both who was unavailable after the respected sessions so you cannot say it was ALL Snooker Squad's fault when it wasn't.

about only Seb sending in information you have 48 hours thats plenty of time for anyone to send info in, seb did they didn't so we have to do defaults on the information provided.

there was plenty of time for defaults team to comment which only 3 of them did (in a 72 hour period)

whats the point of a defaults team if people slate the results, and if people stuck to deadlines (both games and defaults) then this wouldn't be taking place.

also because of MVP slating our defaults, i am not doing defaults AT ALL on final fixture set, told Jay he can do them, if that means Current season is on hold for a few weeks then so be it.

so why don't people do me a favour and be quiet? and let me enjoy the time i have left.

any discussion on this goes in the discussion thread and not News

Thanks