Just one little point about commenting on your own defaults:
Here are the FCL rules:
I'm guessing judge means give a vote? So commenting (when necessary) without voting is not against the rules.

It's the same set of rules for FBL.

sarcastic comment , then challenging every point a panel member has made , surely should not be allowed !

Seems a growing trend in their clan, I am sure everyone's noticed anyway just hope something actually gets done for once.

jeez my eyes are sore after reading all that lol its done and dusted now, move on its only a game and cheers doubted2 m8 for the kind words, appreciate it bud

also like to say that I spend most of my time over on snooker running a clan, so if i only posted 14 out of the 22 days it does not mean i wasnt online, check snooks and u will find i was online more than the 14 days u counted

Not saying you weren't mate, but you can't play a funkypool clan game on funkysnooker and you did only post on here 14 days, can't include any time you spent on snooker in a default over here because it is not helpful to playing games over here - running a clan or not

yeah true like but just pointing out that I was online and available to play

And their 'associates'...

very clear to me seb

as per i guess can be twisted to suit

8.4 Sending info to the league staff
Clan captains are expected to make sure all relevant info (for example private messages) are sent to league staff no later than 48 hours after the fixture deadline. After that, the default is processed, with or without support info, and all decisions are final at that time.

8.9.8 Number of panel inputs
No default should ever be decided without input from at least two people from the default panel, in order to keep things as fair as possible and ensure no aspects are missed. Panel members cannot judge games involving their own clan.

8.9.7 Relevance to overall fixture outcome
All default games are judged separately and independently. Each default is decided purely on the evidence provided for that game between those two players, regardless of what impact this has on the overall outcome of the fixture. The defaults panel is encouraged to refrain from looking at overall results at all before giving their input.

1. it clearly states no one can judge games involving their own clan ..... you would agree im sure

2. clan captains it states you have 48 hours to submit default information im sure you would agree

3. it also states default results are final

4. once default information is submitted it is adjudicated and decisions are arrived at that is judging,

5. a panel member, then having an ability to post on his own clan default and influence and argue a case isnt correct, if it was , were does it say that in the rules,,,

6. if this is the case why is the opposing captain not afforded the same luxury hence 48 hour deadline

Again another rule being twisted to suit,,
I dont mind what they do, but when a default captain can input and argue his / her case after the 48 hour submission period with added information or is able to influence the original default information or clarifying existing default information is totally wrong.

These rules are very clear in anybodies opinion however twisted to suit again

Also a score that was posted and changed, what information did either player submit that was beyond a time limit to have such a massive influence

oh dear i really hope you any your associates have a good day toooooooo

Then I guess that needs rewriting. You shouldn't have a situation where one team has access to, and can comment on, default discussions whilst the other doesn't. The team with the access has the ability to see the points/issues being raised and address them, or highlight other points to take into consideration that may have been missed, potentially giving them an unfair advantage in influencing the decision in their favour.

It would be like in a court of law if the prosecution had the right to go into a jury room during their deliberations and guide them towards a guilty verdict. As much as I like that thought, it's not right!!

It could be that once there is a default panel member from every clan the problem no longer exists. But it would still need to be made clear whether the reps of the two clans directly involved in the decision were allowed to comment or not.

Edited at 11:11 Sat 14/01/12 (GMT)

Would defaults work better if the default info was posted then the thread capped, then the default panel message predictions to the league runners, this way it stops the panel commenting and seeing each others comments ?.

Just a thought

You could. But the advantage to it being a discussion is that the members should be able to come to an almost common agreement based on their understanding of a set of available facts.

Keeping each in isolation means you risk one person missing something important and submitting a score completely out of line with a) the rest and b) what the score should be.

to right and a good idea alan however nxt season it wont matter

div 1 does div2 and vice versa
so its sorted

chris i like your reasoning about the prosecution

its all wrong the way this keeps happening but hey its only my oppinion

Defaults would work better if both parties info posted at same time not giving the other team to read what was put from the other side before sending there info, which means giving the 2nd team the advantage of twisting the info into there favour.

I like this idea, not always in private but a point that says, now just make predictions. That would stop people not involved forcing the arguement for only one side.

some one for got to shut the gate i guess

Fixed

Edited at 12:55 Sat 14/01/12 (GMT)

i could always delete posts not relevant to the convosation, something i should have done in the last set but its dealt with now.

Seb is right it means for voting, i allowed for the 2 combatants to have a civilised convosation, if it went too far which it did i threatened to cap the thread.

sometimes i feel like for example (this is example not real) say default info was like this.

xxx team wouldn't play me, xxx never sent any messages or attempted to play.

yyy team agrees with xxx when its not true

zzz team (team in default) defends his/her clan because the info was false.

^^ thats not true in this case before anyone asks but its those types of instances is why i allow your team to post info relevant to the topic long as they do not make a prediction (which zzz didn't) then its alright in my book.

i trust all my default staff to make the choice they think is right.

now the default is over, PLEASE move along.