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dgeneratio
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20:42 Wed 26 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i dont mind quoting my post id like to see where i said that.

but yeah im focusing on snooker next season and leaving FCL Staff so its up to jay/dex/techno what happens next season.
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20:56 Wed 26 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Well you've named me in your dig james and the only thing I did in my posts was quote what you had posted.
Anyway glad you reversed the decision good call and I respect the work that you put into this let's have a great season now
horse10000
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22:11 Wed 26 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I think cup should be a random draw why shouldn't top 2 teams get drawn against each other in round 1, it allows for a team who might not get there if it was seeded a greater chance of making the final.

Jay is correct with his history MVP have never won the cup but we have always stated it to be the Mickey Mouse Cup and league is our priority I can't see this changing anytime soon but I agree we wouldn't complain if we won it, just be another trophy in the packed trophy cabinet
dgeneratio
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00:50 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
New thing im looking to add what will lower defaults even more.

Any team changes what happens when fixture has started won't be valid until the end of that fixture set meaning when fixture has started if you post someone Out they can still play until end of that fixture set.

Example:

say you had...

eemad vs dgeneratio
ab_rfc vs whocares8x8
horse10000 vs ccfc1927
the_diamond vs vendetta
dvz vs rapid_pot

and then ab_rfc posted dvz out of his teamlist dvz would still be eligible until end of that fixture set.

discuss
bluenose1872
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01:01 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I think that this is a good idea, as i think a player who leaves a clan while they have a league game to play and just dont do it is not fair on the team, i think everyone in the league though has the common decency too finish there match before they leave, this being put in place would help out i think.
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01:07 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
I think cup should be a random draw why shouldn't top 2 teams get drawn against each other in round 1, it allows for a team who might not get there if it was seeded a greater chance of making the final.

Jay is correct with his history MVP have never won the cup but we have always stated it to be the Mickey Mouse Cup and league is our priority I can't see this changing anytime soon but I agree we wouldn't complain if we won it, just be another trophy in the packed trophy cabinet


Agree totally with that. Everyone talked about wanting upsets but seeding cups gives the big teams all the advantage.
Should be drawn that's the fair way.
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01:09 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
yep agree with the above....you dont see the fa cup carling cup having seeded draws....lol far fetched example i know but why should fcl
eemad
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01:12 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Don't comment ever on here as I can't be bothered to read it all for 30 hours, but yeah, random draws all the way. If you're going to win the cup, you have to face a decent team at some point, doesn't make a difference if it's at the start of the cup or at the final!
bluenose1872
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01:53 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Can see that most of the comments are against the seeding idea, so if James is cool with the feedback given on this subject we should drop it now
ab_rfc
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01:58 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
New thing im looking to add what will lower defaults even more.

Any team changes what happens when fixture has started won't be valid until the end of that fixture set meaning when fixture has started if you post someone Out they can still play until end of that fixture set.

Example:

say you had...

eemad vs dgeneratio
ab_rfc vs whocares8x8
horse10000 vs ccfc1927
the_diamond vs vendetta
dvz vs rapid_pot

and then ab_rfc posted dvz out of his teamlist dvz would still be eligible until end of that fixture set.

discuss


what if you post that someone is joining, if the change is not valid untill the fixture set is complete they wont be registered in time for the start of the following set.
As a captain if I post someone out it means out straightaway so I can get a replacement registered in time for the next fixtures, also if its the players decision to leave they might want out straightaway.

Captains are quite capable of deciding themselves if they want the player out straightaway or hold of posting untill the fixture is done, any good captain will speak to the player then decide what to do, we don't need league rules controlling team changes that basically have nothing to do with league runners.

Edited at 23:14 Wed 26/10/11 (BST)
dgeneratio
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02:06 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i do all changes towards end of fixture they would still be eligible as normal if you put them in before next set.
whocares8x8
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02:16 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
what if you post that someone is joining, if the change is not valid untill the fixture set is complete they wont be registered in time for the start of the following set.
The runners would ideally let captains know immediately, if the sub is invalid. That way, you'll have plenty of time until the next fixture starts to make corrections. This is important for this approach to work.
ab_rfc said:
As a captain if I post someone out it means out straightaway so I can get a replacement registered in time for the next fixtures, also if its the players decision to leave they might want out straightaway.
If someone says they'll leave after these fixtures for example, you can already post the sub, but that player can complete the fixtures he's currently in. At the end of the fixtures, all team changes are updated on the site and everything is sorted for the next fixture.

Another situation it would avoid is if someone deactivates. Many captains take them out right away (as you said, to make room for others). Then they reactivate (because they were having a fit of rage when they deactivated) and are out of the clan or out of the fixtures.
ab_rfc
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02:21 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
How we supposed to put anyone in if we have 15 players and the player leaving can't leave untill the current fixture set is complete ?, I just think its another rule we can do without, its the captains decision when players are in or out, leave them to run the clan their way.
dgeneratio
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02:23 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
easy end of fixture xxx out (taken out once they done their fixture in that set), xxx in (for next set)

the in person would be eligible for the next set but ineligible for this (bit like it is now) but only difference is the Out player can still play their game until the fixture is complete.
ab_rfc
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02:35 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Why you even asking us to discuss it, you've not listened to the majority on previous suggestions, this will end up being the same and decided with another league staff vote.
whocares8x8
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03:00 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
How we supposed to put anyone in if we have 15 players and the player leaving can't leave untill the current fixture set is complete ?
The new player can't play until the next set anyway.
All this would change is that the team changes are all processed at the end of the fixture, rather than immediately, so that situations that I described before are avoided.
All the new players would still be eligible to play in the next set as before. The old players would be able to complete the ongoing fixtures.
dgeneratio
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03:06 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
because i wanted some feedback lol

if i posted it and said its official with no feedback then they would be a riot.
ab_rfc
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03:17 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I'll give it a go, players can only play for one clan in a season now so theres not going to be many leaving clans, unless removed by the captain, theres going to be alot less team changes. which is a good thing.
ab_rfc
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03:23 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
because i wanted some feedback lol

if i posted it and said its official with no feedback then they would be a riot.


But you obviously don't listen to the feedback, it doesn't happen if you don't want it or suggest it.
dgeneratio
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03:26 Thu 27 Oct 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i do listen to it but 3 out of the 4 runners preferred it as it was with the Cup.

also if we didn't listen to feedback, why is TPA in the league?
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