Can we have tournys that are free from clans and pros?

why doest it matter if clan players join?

manners and speed

Tournaments would not hold the same value. If you want to win a tournament then you have to play the best. I think that you are being stereotypical of clan players. Not to mention that they would still take just as long as normal tournaments.

Absolutely disagree.

Missed the point entirely.

please explain?

Pfffft what a joke...people in glass houses

Firstly, the manners of most clan members is very poor. Especially to those (newbies) that they can easily exploit. Killer is the best example. Where an 850 player will cruise and pick off lowly newbies. And Yes I know about the points system and how it works out the points.

A tourny or two excluding clans and pros would provide the lower ranks with an incentive to improve.

Its a bit like the League cups vs the FA cup in football.

Clan members are no different to other players who aren't in clan. Both can be either fast or slow players and both can also be good, bad or indifferent.

Edit: non-Clan members can be just as rude, if not ruder, than clan members

I really don't see what difference it makes

Note the impact. Only Clan members have responded.

and so my point stands:

all the clan members are on the forum most of the time, take a look around

Come on at 3am when there are no clan members about then

Free from pros too? Right I'll just reset, keep my rank low then enter so it's an easy tourny win.

Also, clans are unofficial, so it would be impossible with the current structure to stop them from being in a tourny. And it would be wrong just to discard them anyway, when as said, non-clan members do tend to be more rude!

There's your reply from a non-clan member.

Im not in any clan and see no need to discriminate clan players or pros, from tournaments.

If you so wish to enter tournaments that there are not many pros entering, then may I suggest you enter the friendly tournaments, that are designed to allow ALL to compete including newbies!

Edited at 23:11 Thu 30/06/11 (BST)

Edited at 23:12 Thu 30/06/11 (BST)

just like to point out that most of the best players are in clans

the great majority of people who play in clans are crap anyway , theres only the top clans have the top players , a lot of people swerve clans because of the arguments and bickering they cause ...there is however those who thrive on that ....

I can write a very long list of awesome players if you want?

He did say the top clans have the top players....

i can write a list equally long of crap players or class players who dont bother , but i have better things to do plus theres the name and shame thing ...