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03:55 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Ok ive missed this then.lol. How does that work? Div 1 not affected by this what so ever. Surely no deadlines needed and if given, then points awarded full stop! Am I being silly?
p.s. Im drunk and was proud of how much sense im making as far as tlk are concerned.
p.s. Im drunk and was proud of how much sense im making as far as tlk are concerned.
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03:56 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
For clans that have completed all their games with in the original deadline and deserve the bonus as per the whole reason of it, how can it possibly be fair that clans who didn't bother to get all their games played by the deadline for the bonus to apply, then receive a bonus due to the league runners deciding you can have an extra few days to finish the games, if the teams that completed after the original deadline receive the bonus, i for one next set will demand an extension if our clan doesn't have all our games completed so i can get a chance to get the same bonus as we didn't need an extension this time so we must be allowed one as well as no other rules seem to be getting applied sensibly just now.
How's it fair that extensions are granted and taken away 5 hours before the deadline!? Making it near impossible for us to get the bonus.
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Well obviously not! But its very rare that an extension is given. So it just seems like a grey area to me. I'm pretty sure its for completing games before the deadline. The deadline was extended, games were completed before the deadline therefore.
For clans that have completed all their games with in the original deadline and deserve the bonus as per the whole reason of it, how can it possibly be fair that clans who didn't bother to get all their games played by the deadline for the bonus to apply, then receive a bonus due to the league runners deciding you can have an extra few days to finish the games, if the teams that completed after the original deadline receive the bonus, i for one next set will demand an extension if our clan doesn't have all our games completed so i can get a chance to get the same bonus as we didn't need an extension this time so we must be allowed one as well as no other rules seem to be getting applied sensibly just now.
How's it fair that extensions are granted and taken away 5 hours before the deadline!? Making it near impossible for us to get the bonus.
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03:58 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Because an extension was granted to both divisions for some reason. We took that as being what was going to happen until the league runners changed their minds.
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Ok ive missed this then.lol. How does that work? Div 1 not affected by this what so ever. Surely no deadlines needed and if given, then points awarded full stop! Am I being silly?
p.s. Im drunk and was proud of how much sense im making as far as tlk are concerned.
p.s. Im drunk and was proud of how much sense im making as far as tlk are concerned.
Because an extension was granted to both divisions for some reason. We took that as being what was going to happen until the league runners changed their minds.
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04:04 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Ok as previously stated. When an extension was given, another deadline must have been set so if any points gained within that set deadline, they have to be awarded.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
04:08 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
1. Extension would have to be granted to both div's as th fixtures are released same tIime and you also have the matter of the individual leagues as well.
2. The bonus points are designed to apply to the clans that complete all matches pre-deadline. Be it a 2 week or 2 year deadline.
3. Golden cue incorporates all clan matches again, regardless of deadline!
The fact these rules are being changed on short notice with no deliberation with the players of the league is unacceptable IMO
2. The bonus points are designed to apply to the clans that complete all matches pre-deadline. Be it a 2 week or 2 year deadline.
3. Golden cue incorporates all clan matches again, regardless of deadline!
The fact these rules are being changed on short notice with no deliberation with the players of the league is unacceptable IMO
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04:09 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Again I apologise for my previous ignorance but league runners, make the correct decision as the majority and common sense are surely telling you!!!!!
04:17 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Any individual who has completed a game outside of the original deadline deserve points towards golden cue etc. all team were aware before the fixtures started that if they completed all their games in 2 weeks, they would get a bonus for all games being completed and no games going to default. With the league runners extending the original deadline, it would be unfair for any clan that completed games after the original deadline for the bonus, then were to get the bonus points. The bonus has always been for completing the games in a 2 week period, not completing them outside of that duration. It is to encourage clans to get games done in a 2 week period, not a longer period if league runners decide to extend.
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Ok as previously stated. When an extension was given, another deadline must have been set so if any points gained within that set deadline, they have to be awarded.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
Any individual who has completed a game outside of the original deadline deserve points towards golden cue etc. all team were aware before the fixtures started that if they completed all their games in 2 weeks, they would get a bonus for all games being completed and no games going to default. With the league runners extending the original deadline, it would be unfair for any clan that completed games after the original deadline for the bonus, then were to get the bonus points. The bonus has always been for completing the games in a 2 week period, not completing them outside of that duration. It is to encourage clans to get games done in a 2 week period, not a longer period if league runners decide to extend.
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04:20 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Any individual who has completed a game outside of the original deadline deserve points towards golden cue etc. all team were aware before the fixtures started that if they completed all their games in 2 weeks, they would get a bonus for all games being completed and no games going to default. With the league runners extending the original deadline, it would be unfair for any clan that completed games after the original deadline for the bonus, then were to get the bonus points. The bonus has always been for completing the games in a 2 week period, not completing them outside of that duration. It is to encourage clans to get games done in a 2 week period, not a longer period if league runners decide to extend.
That's never why the bonus rule was introduced. It is if all matches are completed before the deadline.
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onevisit said:
Ok as previously stated. When an extension was given, another deadline must have been set so if any points gained within that set deadline, they have to be awarded.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
I understand attitudes that if you have an extension to a deadline, you can play it later. I got confused cause i dont see how div 1 got involved in this at all. Any games not played in div 1 by sunday are defaults but as far as the league runners as concerned if they have given an extension, a date time must have been stated so any games within this new deadline have to be counted.
Surely common sense would confirm this.
Any individual who has completed a game outside of the original deadline deserve points towards golden cue etc. all team were aware before the fixtures started that if they completed all their games in 2 weeks, they would get a bonus for all games being completed and no games going to default. With the league runners extending the original deadline, it would be unfair for any clan that completed games after the original deadline for the bonus, then were to get the bonus points. The bonus has always been for completing the games in a 2 week period, not completing them outside of that duration. It is to encourage clans to get games done in a 2 week period, not a longer period if league runners decide to extend.
That's never why the bonus rule was introduced. It is if all matches are completed before the deadline.
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04:20 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Nothing was ever said about if a new deadline is introduced bonuses aren't given. Can't start making up rules now, which is what seems to be occurring.
04:26 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
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But if there wasn't an extension you wouldn't have played those games anyway or got the bonus points either?
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
04:27 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Too late for that the league runners have already made a rule up by granting an extension.
And yes it is if no games go to default but rules were written on the basis all games have a 2 week deadline and was done to encourage completion in that time, not completed in any other duration. Clans who are unable to complete all of their fixtures in 2 weeks do not deserve a bonus and if the league runners decide to give them the bonus they would be as well get rid of the bonus as it would turn the league into a farce, that is if it is not already there.
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Nothing was ever said about if a new deadline is introduced bonuses aren't given. Can't start making up rules now, which is what seems to be occurring.
Too late for that the league runners have already made a rule up by granting an extension.
And yes it is if no games go to default but rules were written on the basis all games have a 2 week deadline and was done to encourage completion in that time, not completed in any other duration. Clans who are unable to complete all of their fixtures in 2 weeks do not deserve a bonus and if the league runners decide to give them the bonus they would be as well get rid of the bonus as it would turn the league into a farce, that is if it is not already there.
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04:27 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
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But if there wasn't an extension you wouldn't have played those games anyway or got the bonus points either?
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
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04:29 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
Think that Mike the man has hit the nail on the head in the sense of that there was a complete lack of clarity in the announcements by the league runners. As an experienced league member horse, you and i both know that it has always been a two week deadline for bonusees but a post saying there was a deadline, this could easily be mis interpreted, which it seems thats happened. The more i sit here and think about the less closer i get to an answer. If the staff have said there is a deadline without explaining bonuses are being the exception, then I feel this tine bonuses have to stand. I genuilnly dont know who this helps/ affects but as folk have stated, especially in league one, the original deadline has to be the deadline and then everyone knows the script.
04:31 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
so if they could've been played Sunday why were they not ?
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kev04 said:
But if there wasn't an extension you wouldn't have played those games anyway or got the bonus points either?
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
so if they could've been played Sunday why were they not ?
04:33 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
This is a pointless post but my head is spinning readin all this lol
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04:33 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
If you got told there was an extension, you might not bother coming on, on sunday. You might wait to monday cause you goy told there was an extension. Thats why its unfair and unclear.
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04:33 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
so if they could've been played Sunday why were they not ?
Because an extension was granted and I had family round and work aswell. I chose those as the extension meant pool wasn't a massive concern for Sunday, had the extension not been granted I would have been on here alot more throughout Sunday and got them played.
ab_rfc said:
mtk said:
ab_rfc said:
kev04 said:
But if there wasn't an extension you wouldn't have played those games anyway or got the bonus points either?
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
so if they could've been played Sunday why were they not ?
Because an extension was granted and I had family round and work aswell. I chose those as the extension meant pool wasn't a massive concern for Sunday, had the extension not been granted I would have been on here alot more throughout Sunday and got them played.
04:33 Thu 31 Mar 11 (BST) [Link]
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
It also could have been played another 13 days for that set of fixtures but it wasn't, if you choose to leave games to the last minute and they don't get played you do not deserve the bonus points, it is players who leave games till the last minute that means games go to default, so there is no way they deserve a bonus if they then complete it with an extra few days.
mtk said:
ab_rfc said:
kev04 said:
But if there wasn't an extension you wouldn't have played those games anyway or got the bonus points either?
have to agree with Kev,
if it wasn't for the extension there would've been a load of defaults because the first extension was mentioned either Friday or Saturday so if you didn't have your games organised by then it wasn't looking good, was leaving it a bit late, so the extension helped you mtk, defaults were looking likely.
so I can see where keith is coming from.
Mine would have been played Sunday, innocent unless you can prove otherwise isn't it?
It also could have been played another 13 days for that set of fixtures but it wasn't, if you choose to leave games to the last minute and they don't get played you do not deserve the bonus points, it is players who leave games till the last minute that means games go to default, so there is no way they deserve a bonus if they then complete it with an extra few days.
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