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clooneman
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19:19 Fri 2 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Wouldn't both scores be genuine? That said, existing twice in the Top 10 or the Top 2 or whatever might be unfair, but two different accounts that are high up would surely both be genuine?
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19:27 Fri 2 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
No because every game you win on your second account would have been worth less on your main account and every game you lose would have cost you more

you could easily come on in the secondary account to play your first few games which you have more chance of losing then once youre in to it switch to the primary one

theres many different scenarios - all of which support why you cannot justify playing ranked games on two or more live accounts at once. But, as Nick says, you are allowed no more than one account anyway so it doesnt matter

Edited at 01:28 Sat 3/01/09 (GMT)
nick
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05:14 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I believe that scenario is similar to when someone resets or deactivates and recreates, in that their ranking score is much lower than their ability. The newbie modification insulates against this in each case.

And, yes, the same person occupying multiple places in the ranking table would be a problem and quite quickly noticed.
janmb
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05:51 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
nick said:
I believe that scenario is similar to when someone resets or deactivates and recreates, in that their ranking score is much lower than their ability. The newbie modification insulates against this in each case.


To some extent at least, but far from 100%.

nick said:
And, yes, the same person occupying multiple places in the ranking table would be a problem and quite quickly noticed.


So what you are saying is that people who actively play ranked games on multiple accounts should be banned?

We have literally tons of players openly doing just that, and "ranking races for the first 100 games" etc has even been encouraged in the past, also by staff. Sorry if I'm a bit negative on this matter, but the enforcement of this is everything but clear.
janmb
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05:52 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
clooneman said:
Wouldn't both scores be genuine? That said, existing twice in the Top 10 or the Top 2 or whatever might be unfair, but two different accounts that are high up would surely both be genuine?


I'd say yes. There are problems with it still tho.

The far greater problem tho, is when a 850 skilled player plays ranked games on a 700 non-newbie account.
janmb
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05:56 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
chris said:
question for you then jan - does a player playing ranked games on two different accounts trigger a problem? It certainly means that neither score attained is genuine - even more so when the person is near the top of the tables


In my opinion, yes it is a problem.

If the accounts aren't used to play each other, the scores will over time be genuine in terms of correctly representing the player's skill level, but there are other problems related to what happens to the ranking ladder when a good player starts a new low rank account and works his/her way up for a second time or more.
nick
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06:18 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
janmb said:
So what you are saying is that people who actively play ranked games on multiple accounts should be banned?

We have literally tons of players openly doing just that, and "ranking races for the first 100 games" etc has even been encouraged in the past, also by staff. Sorry if I'm a bit negative on this matter, but the enforcement of this is everything but clear.


It is a problem if someone is occupying multiple places on the rankings table as it would mean other players would not appear.
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08:10 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I don't think I explained my argument very clearly above as to why two accounts would not give a genuine score for one person but I know what I meant

They would give a genuine score for each of the accounts but wont give a genuine score for the actual person.


Anyway thanks for your thoughts on this. I still havent noted any deactivated second accounts yet but I will keep checking on them. I'm always optimistic that people's honesty will shine through
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08:13 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
janmb said:


nick said:
And, yes, the same person occupying multiple places in the ranking table would be a problem and quite quickly noticed.


So what you are saying is that people who actively play ranked games on multiple accounts should be banned?

We have literally tons of players openly doing just that, and "ranking races for the first 100 games" etc has even been encouraged in the past, also by staff. Sorry if I'm a bit negative on this matter, but the enforcement of this is everything but clear.



Spot on Jan - and how obvious does it really need to be with some people near the top of the tables
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13:16 Sat 3 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
nick said:
janmb said:
So what you are saying is that people who actively play ranked games on multiple accounts should be banned?

We have literally tons of players openly doing just that, and "ranking races for the first 100 games" etc has even been encouraged in the past, also by staff. Sorry if I'm a bit negative on this matter, but the enforcement of this is everything but clear.


It is a problem if someone is occupying multiple places on the rankings table as it would mean other players would not appear.


In that case nick, there may be a few problems occuring in the tables at the moment
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20:33 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  


Edited at 02:34 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
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21:06 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
8288 said:


Edited at 02:34 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)


can you please use the forums constructively and only dig up posts if you have something to say?
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05:52 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
hightops said:
nick said:
janmb said:
So what you are saying is that people who actively play ranked games on multiple accounts should be banned?

We have literally tons of players openly doing just that, and "ranking races for the first 100 games" etc has even been encouraged in the past, also by staff. Sorry if I'm a bit negative on this matter, but the enforcement of this is everything but clear.


It is a problem if someone is occupying multiple places on the rankings table as it would mean other players would not appear.


In that case nick, there may be a few problems occuring in the tables at the moment


Feel free to use the contact us to let us know anything that may be of concern to you!


I do believe that people should have the right to have more than one account when it comes to privacy. Like an account you come on to get away from everything, or not to talk to people with whom you normally would. However I don't believe that members should have more than one account on the ranking tables!


Edited at 11:53 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
justsumgirl
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15:29 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
1_eye said:


I do believe that people should have the right to have more than one account when it comes to privacy. Like an account you come on to get away from everything, or not to talk to people with whom you normally would. However I don't believe that members should have more than one account on the ranking tables!




Ive got more than one account and was told (By Admin) that its fine to log onto game with it but not to post with it... ive also played games on that name too i think, but no one need worry about me getting on the ranking table ! ! !
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23:51 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I know ive said this earlier in the post but oh well.

But just about everyone knows that I have two accounts (or you do now )

I use this one to post and the other one (keep it a secret in case you dont know so I dont spoil it for you) to play.

I have my reasons and it was allowed. If you have a good reason to have two accounts (which I do), then I have nothing against that.

But if you have two accounts and you post with both of them (even if its accidental like i did) or if you play with both, then we have a problem.

Who does it hurt when I have two acoounts - me; because I got to log in and log out everytime I want to play or want to post.

Although I do know someone who had 3 accounts then "gave it to other people" (i know him personally - and I dont believe him)
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