I asked tappy at the beginning of this season. As I knew who he was and he is a friend.

Your right look at my stats currently lol, but I very rarely get beat in a clan game and give everybody a good game,

I take your word for it, I wouldn't know. I can imagine players wanting to leave to played versus some of their former team mates, that's understandable. But I can also see a lot of players who wont want to leave as they know where they are they have more a chance to extend their success. I can't for the life of me think anyone could find 'winning seasons as boring', surely not.

Yes you do yourself win many matches, you're a very good player.

We all know you're both decent players. But the three players i'm talking about are average players (having played against and alongside them.) Was just using the ranking system as an example as none are 'newbies'.

What I do find rather funny and ironic is Ash moaning about players being tapped up and how it's hard trying to build a strong core to a team after what has happened recently with Topguns (and indeed with Black Magic and Ballbreakers at the start of the season) and after trying to tap up 5 players from PD's LOLS

Two things happen, some people feel they have underperformed at a top team so leave, others like to challenge themselves by bringing a lower team to the fore rather than winning with a Top team.

Exactly Mathew

No offense Mav, we all know I give you a good game every time we play. it is very even between us, you know that.

That's one of their players between us then. I guess Snooker Squad must be the ones trying hard to sign all their core players! Bad Seb!!!!

What's ironic is the new additons weren't about the 3 from Top Guns so once again...WRONG!

I were on about: i_am_classic, lmc_shark and davybaumers.

Like matty said about (Tappy) the 3 from Top Guns were all mates of mine, I'd asked Jamie the same day he'd left BB's for TG's. Me and Sean have been speaking and mates even during his time at BB's and as for snoball - I'd asked him prior to him going to Top Guns and because we were full I had no room for him.

Then TG's in their wisdom put me and him up versus each other and we had a great match. So I would like to say thank you.

Players from BB's oh you mean poolh8r, _sachibub yeah quality signing they were, very loyal too. BM that were yonks ago now so 'had vanished from my mind'. As for players from PD's yeah I've asked a few and last night I were a little disrespectful and for that i apologize, I only asked the players I feel would have been a good additions and some who deserved in my opinion to be in a more competitive team, where the points they actually won mattered. Obviously the competitive side put them off so they decided to stay.

'Each to their own' The only 1 who I feel will eventually join here hopefully is Karl, we go way back to his time @ the Vipers.

They get bored of winning with a top team, sometimes it happens. I don't get bored of winning as I'm competitive and hate losing but I'm like that in everyday life.

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I'm not wrong, i'm talking about the ones from Topguns.....You're quite infuriating to actually try and have a debate with, because you're so dismissive, you play the victim, and you just do not listen to what anyone says.

You cry when people try and talk to your players to come and sign for them and then go do the same thing to other teams and say it's 'fair game'.

Hypocrite comes to mind. You've let better players go then the 3 you've signed from Topguns and even your own team are starting to get fed up with the way you run your clan and the way you're constantly instigating arguments.....

No wonder no clan captains wanted you to be allowed to form your own clan.

As for it "not saying much about my own game"....you were begging me to join your clan and to bring Johnny and chappy along with me when we were trying to start TG's back up....

And as for the 'competitive side' of PD's....you should look at the current FCL score against the two teams...

And yes Chapster, our games are always close....but like I've said several times before, I'm an average player..

No disrespect to any players here but compare the 2 sides in the FCL - If we'd have played the same 8 vs PD's then you wouldn't stand a 'cat in hells chance'. I wanted to give EVERY player a match and as your teams a lot weaker than Pros me mix and matched.

I'm more than happy to step things up a bit, if you want to play some of the players put in vs Pros, happy to oblige.

'Be careful what you wish for!'

Own team starting get fed up...omg - some are getting fed up with the constant crap coming from other teams, we are just standing our ground and fending people off.

Get over It!

Actually _maverick_, when I received the mail saying that half the captains had all agreed he shouldn't be allowed to run a clan - I disagreed. The more clans the better imo.

Half there were four and 2 of them aren't even captains any more. So technically 2.

I thanked you for it.

Soooooooo, what you're saying is: You're putting your crapper players against us? Way to make your team feel better about themselves

"Fending your ground"....and yet the majority of the time it's you either on PD's thread running your mouth off or you're doing the same thing on the TG's thread...

Still four captains of the time Ash....And for someone who's so pro new teams...you aren't half intent on destroying a few. Like mentioned above. When Johnny, chappy and myself were getting Topguns started, you tried getting us to sign for you! Not exactly helping promote new teams is it...

No not at all, they wouldn't be in this team IF I thought they were crap. Just some at the moment are better than others, a lot of them if not all of them are better than myself. So I didn't select myself.

He's trying to better his team nothing more nothing less, that's rich coming from u who quit his team in their hour of need,

It's a game, no one gets hurt no one dies, u all need to grow up fgs