chris let be honest here no player can make a swap or sub of their own back that always be like that where is in the rules that states that i like to see if it is
if the league runners knew about this why did they not put all clans thread knowing this we are not mind readers
also its not on the league website

It's in Rule 5.7 on their website. I am guessing the issue here is that the clan captain in question was unable to post this decision so just informed the league staff.

But again, how does any of it affect the opposition ever?

well every captain knows if the captain or vice has not granted permission they can not play the game
simple as this its down to the league runners to inform the other teams who they got to play or a message by their captain or vice telling others this
so stop try to make rules as you go a long it alway be like that chris if u be in clans for years

that why you see this on deadline day by captains

i give permission to all the players to make a swap or subs

player 1
player2
player3
player4
player5

if these players come on they can play these games

Well as long as you understand that's not how it is in the Super League

Why have unnecessary rules when clans can still choose for themselves how they arrange subs and arrange games?

Even more so when as you say in your post above near the deadline control of who plays can pretty much go out of the window anyway!!

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what the point in making rules up then in your eyes

what your saying chris just get a group of people to join a clan and your all captains if you don't like the player you got ask for a sub or a swap how stubborn talk
if you got no rules in place all hell break loose why did you make rules to your league chris if you think down that line

It seems to have worked perfectly well to be fair - 275 matches played without a single default game.

You are completely missing my point. If you want to be responsible for all subs made by your clan then you do that. That is up to you.

But likewise if other teams dont want to work that way then that is also up to them. It doesnt need a rule to govern it at all. (I know the FCL sort of has a rule there but arguably it doesnt need to be)

Once again, what difference does it make to you who makes a sub/swap from your opponents?

yes chirs the only reason is that is cause every thinks it works the same as the other leagues
if you was the only league then it would been different

Once again, what difference does it make to you who makes a sub/swap from your opponents?

as i tell you once again what is the point of having captain and vice then

as i said if you have a opponents that u don't like or he or she to good for you everyone would ask for subs and swaps with no rules in place that would happen a lot

5.7 The making of subs
Anyone in the clan can make a substitution, and once made will be deemed as a substitution made on behalf of, and with the full agreement of, the clan.

5.7 Swapping two players
As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, Captains may swap two of their players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played.


that tell me it got to be captain not any player that your rules so what are you talking when it state it in your rules

There's more to being Captain than subs.

Also you still have not pointed out what difference it makes to you who subs from your opponents - the player or the Captain!!

The answer you gave is irrelevant because if that is going to happen then it will happen anyway regardless of whoever is going make the sub.

All you are doing is putting in a layer which has the potential to delay things and increase accordingly the chances of any one game not getting played and going to default.

so why have you got that rule in chris its states captain not all players like the way your talking

if you never had the other leagues in place you think it be that easy nope as i told you all hell would break loose with players don't fancy their chances with others if it was down to players

As has been discussed before, swaps are just a shortcut to save the number of substitutions having to be made therefore they have to be governed by the same rules as exist on substitutions.

The wording in the rule just points out it is an option for consideration. However for clarity it will be changed from 'Captains' to 'clans'.

that not the point your making chris u no it
you saying what is the point of having captain or vice when the player can do their self lets ask all the captain see what feedback you really get

Tell me where/why 'all hell would break loose' in your clan? Presumably you would choose to control all subs by your clan as you do now so there would be no change for your clan.

The fact is you already have no control over the opposition's subs, they are not subject to approval by anyone including you. Therefore what difference does it make who makes it on their behalf?

well i said what would happen with teams over this transfer thing and its prove right
Assassins as gone cause players wanted to join other clans
its only a very short season of 8 games if you sign for a player you say with that team to the end of the season

if the season so short i cant see the problem in it

Rick, getting confused with the point you are trying to make.

Captains have a right to run their clan as they see fit, if I choose to allow anyone in my clan to make a sub, that is my choice as captain. If you personally do not want to allow your clan members to make subs on your behalf, that is your choice. I have on a few occasions given my entire clan permission to arrange subs in my absense near deadline day, they do not however have any authority to overrule myself.

League runners are not here to act as messengers though. Unless we post that a sub is not allowed then any changes should go ahead and games should be arranged.