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20:56 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
A number of finals have been ruined by time up and both players being DQ'd. In a number of instances the player who is lagging on points (say in str8 where you are 33-20 up with 2 mins left) plays slowly to ensure a non result.

Would it not be fairer to award the game to the person nearest the finishing line so to speak.....
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20:59 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
It would be best if there was no time limit in a final.
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21:14 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Not sure about no time limit - even pros in the real world have time constraints. The emphasis here is to reward the player nearest the finishing line as such.....
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21:25 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
I agreee
crazzymadman
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21:40 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
What if you were both on the same number of balls, I dont think the system could easily work this out. A simple answer would be to extend the time during a final slightly. But if you look at the % games un-finished versus completed finals i would imagine this would be a small %.

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22:00 Sat 16 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
al_ said:
Not sure about no time limit - even pros in the real world have time constraints. The emphasis here is to reward the player nearest the finishing line as such.....



Pros have time constraints because of TV schedules & spectators being at the events. Funkypool rounds before the final have time limits so other players dont have to wait too long.

We dont have any of that to worry about in an FP final, so theres no reason for a time limit. The game might take an extra 5 minutes now and then but thats all.
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14:15 Sun 17 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
al_ said:
Would it not be fairer to award the game to the person nearest the finishing line so to speak.....


The problem with that (similarly to snooker) is that it could be open to abuse by players edging ahead then playing safe. Not so easy in straight of course, but not impossible.

I see no reason why the time limit can't be removed or made very long for finals.
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14:21 Sun 17 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Or just dont play so safe
dgeneratio
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14:30 Sun 17 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
longest ive seen anyone play safe is when arpeggi and eemad spent 2 hours playing 1 frame of original, they couldn't go for a pot, if they did pot it was because of a fluke.

wish i could have seen it.

no time limit finals would be nice.
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14:48 Sun 17 Oct 10 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
longest ive seen anyone play safe is when arpeggi and eemad spent 2 hours playing 1 frame of original, they couldn't go for a pot, if they did pot it was because of a fluke. Wish i could have seen it.


I don't!
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15:58 Wed 1 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Please can we have longer time limits for str8 tournie games

Ucyforit played me today - I was in play but time down to 1 min after some excellent safety exchanges - I potted and balls split nice for the win at 23 - 21 - got to 31 with a few seconds to go, missed and was awarded win...

ucyforit : ok al gonna stop not let time runout..... gl my friend
al_: ty ucy
GAME: ucyforit has left the game
GAME: al_ can play on until finish of break, at that point a default win is awarded
GAME: Rack 5
TOURNAMENT: Time warning, players have 1 minutes to complete this round

Edited at 14:02 Wed 01/12/10 (GMT)

Edited at 14:02 Wed 01/12/10 (GMT)
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16:12 Wed 1 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
al_ said:
Please can we have longer time limits for str8 tournie games


Trouble is how long do you give? What ever you lengthened it to I am sure there would still be a potential double DQ at some point. Plus the instances of double DQ's always seem fairly rare to me. Bear in mind too that there are often others waiting for their next round game as well.

Part of the skill of any tournament game is playing the type of game you want to, within the known time constraints, balancing attack and defence.
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16:16 Wed 1 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
In all games where extra time was needed perhaps 2 - 5 mins for play would have been enough. Str8 is not just about potting but safety exchanges are part of game.
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01:02 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
Double DQ's are quite rare especially in finals, but I believe that whatever additional time will make no difference (Especially in Straight Pool).

Playing a safe tactic is a great idea to try and put your opponent off guard but you must realise the time you have to finish the game.

Plus.......... (Echo on Chris's post)

Adding time to a tournament match may give you more time but others may have to wait longer than normal.
dgeneratio
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01:06 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
only thing i can suggest is a no time limit final, rest can be normal.

don't know if nick approves or not though.
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05:57 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
dont change! not needed other things need considering before this
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11:42 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
iv had this done to me about 10 times in the final of straight you dont see me moaning about this
every little thing that goes wrong for him on this site he moans
get over it
it a time limit on all tournaments because you lost in one final in this way try to lose as many as i did in this tournaments
people who have write in this thread will tell you
dgeneratio
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11:44 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
i can vouch for that, rick must be safetiest person on here who i have ever played
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18:19 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
I would prefer doubles and other things being looked at before this.. besides if the losing player wants to make it so neither win then thats his choice.
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18:36 Thu 2 Dec 10 (GMT)  [Link]  
I've been calling for timeless (or increased time) finals for ages. Now that rank is at stake in tournament games, there is a greater incentive for a losing player to force time to elapse before the game is over, which is undesirable, and also unreasonable to any neutral observer. Straight finals are a particular example of this, due to the ranking multiplier for straight (x 3), the fact that it's a tournament game (x 2), and because the game is decided by reaching a certain score which is often not reached - and this isn't just in finals but also in earlier rounds.
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