Just on a general point, but arising from the above scores.

There is no 'winning' default score (or equalling in the case of a draw) lower than the maximum possible which is 7 points. The 7 points or anything higher should show that a good amount of effort was made to get the game played by the players concerned (or the teams in the event of subs etc). Was that the case here?

It may well have been but, for example, how much effort was made by either player in the josh49 v i_am_blessed game? I dont want the facts, or specifics discussed but did the effort warrant the 7 and 8 points awarded because it seems we have slightly lost sight of the fact that defaults can be anything between 0 and 15 depending on the actual level of effort made by each of the players.

i believe so but i couldn't comment on the score even if i wanted to

Dont want anyone to

But are we saying that in every game thats gone to default at least one of the parties has made what was considered a really good effort to play? And that where the losing party has scored, for example 6 or 7, they did too?

If thats so then great. Although begs the question why the game didnt get played then but nevermind

The way I know the defaults from the last few seasons is that generally the full set of points (or 7-7) will be given unless there is a good reason to deduct points.
The threshold for deducting points in the past was a lot lower- meaning in the past point would only be deducted if the players were barely online at all. This season, points have been deducted a little more liberally.
Since this season subs are also used a lot more, it's more difficult to decide when to deduct points. For example in the game you mentioned, one or two subs were made, so it's hard to tell who of them made or didn't make an effort.

That's OK as long as it is still a consideration. It's important not to give teams easy points for making little effort when players/teams that do make effort risking losing points from actually playing.

plus without jans activity tracker its even harder.

just looked on division 2 info and ive missed a default, josh49 0-4 jds1966, ill ask both teams for info now (ill still give the same 48 hours message deadline) then could wrap it up on monday.

for now ill update the table without that fixture (Top Guns vs Underdogs)

Yeah, defaults have become a lot trickier without the activity tracker. This may be part of the reason that there have been a lot more fights and discussions about them. In the past, we always had numbers to back the decisions up.

Agreed, one decision will favour one set of people, and others will argue against it.. always going to happen.

i did ask jan in the past about activity tracker, if someone had the following qualities then jan would be happy to set it up (i would have to give you jans email so you can email him for the details).

Qualities are:

- Linux Computer (Ubuntu)
- Stable Internet Connection
- Computer left on 24/7 (if machine is turned off the tracker won't work for that period, same with jans classy site he had).

Might be more fights and discussions about them because of the ridiculous amount this season.

that discussion will go in the discussion thread, if you and Seb want to discuss it there then fair enough

But, there is a huge difference between one or two defaults, and 12 to 14 defaults......

its only happened once so i don't see the problem also all of it wasn't our fault, tyler and ccfc a clear yes but the rest was around, i had no possible way to play my game anyway lets see how this set goes, seb has already stated if this set is as bad as the last one then Snooker Squad will fold at end of season. try to be lenient especially since it was christmas.

normally i would take action if numerous defaults was found twice in a season so far its only once.

I tried to move this to discussion thread as requested lol.
If you look at each individual default case, it doesn't look nearly as bad as the collective.
dgen- you're wrong about tyler. He was only subbed in to the games 5 days before the deadline, meaning he accounted for very little of the default- the other 16 days count for more.

We only had two inactive players (and both of them got games played early in the fixtures). As I said on MVP thread, at one point earlier in the fixture, an opponent team (no names) had all 7 fixtures with players that were offline for at least two days.

I'll put this here and on the clan threads it is needed for.

A default was missed and going by the information received before the deadline a prediction has been made on the jds1966 v josh49 game.

jds wins default 15 - 0.

The topic is now closed on the website, people where ask to post the prediction within a certain time and only 3 done so. End of the default now

ill also record this on the table tomorrow

Sorry school meetings n parents evening this week hectic as hell hence ain't been on other forum!

no problems

Division 2 League Table

....................................GPlayed...FWon...FLost...Bonus...Total
Most Valuable Poolers.....74.......766......344.......150........916
Snooker Squad..................74.......658....448.......100........758
Top Pool Aces....................72.......521.....558.......100........621
Latin Legends.....................71.........506....558......50........556
Top Guns.............................73.........424....670......50........474
Underdogs..........................70.........375.....672......30.........405

This is to the results on the site, partially played games not included

any problems post on clan news or inform me

clan awards voting deadline over, will announce once i get votes from Jay unless he wants to do it of course