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11:39 Mon 13 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Assuming game uses same animation engine as you use here.... The animation over on killerpool seems a bit more "chuggy" tho, stuttering more.
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11:44 Mon 13 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
I had a problem, was on 1 life in a game, balls just racked up again, and the game froze, all balls came off the table so its was blank, and i could hear a constant clattering of the balls. Non-stop.
14:09 Mon 13 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Another feedback, obviously a matter of opinion, but still...
The table is far too easy. Particularly the middle pockets, but even the corners are quite a bit easier than the FP US table.
This is obviously the same for all players and does not affect who wins or loses games what so ever, but it DOES affect the length of games.
The experience this far is that games take ages. If two decent potters remain when entering the heads-up part of the game, they don't really lose much more than 0.5 lives per frame, even with decent safety play - which in turn translates into what is in theory a never ending game. Obviously not the case - players get tired and miss (or give up) eventually, but I don't think it's the intention for this to be a stamina contest.
The table is far too easy. Particularly the middle pockets, but even the corners are quite a bit easier than the FP US table.
This is obviously the same for all players and does not affect who wins or loses games what so ever, but it DOES affect the length of games.
The experience this far is that games take ages. If two decent potters remain when entering the heads-up part of the game, they don't really lose much more than 0.5 lives per frame, even with decent safety play - which in turn translates into what is in theory a never ending game. Obviously not the case - players get tired and miss (or give up) eventually, but I don't think it's the intention for this to be a stamina contest.
17:14 Mon 13 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
It adds pressure - which is good.
I wish it had a different sound for the last 5 seconds tho - it's a pain having to watch the time visually rather than by audio.
ul_son said:
That shot clock ticker is SO annoying
It adds pressure - which is good.
I wish it had a different sound for the last 5 seconds tho - it's a pain having to watch the time visually rather than by audio.
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05:51 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
will there be a responsible gambling element? perhaps like paddy power and a limit that can be paid into it every day and will the site be open to everybody or just 18+.
with one of these accounts and a paddypower account il be in worse debt
good game tho
with one of these accounts and a paddypower account il be in worse debt
good game tho
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08:35 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Still having problems with the cue power.
My opinion:
How are you really gonna mandate who plays and who doesn't? Every country has different laws about legal gambling ages. You said you were gonna set the site age requirement to 18. Here in the USA, the legal gambling age is 21. Anyone can simply say they are legal age and borrow mom and dads card...or even someone with a bank card...i know i had a debit card at 15.
Money is the root of all evil. Bringing money into something like this can be, in my opinion, a dangerous game. As well intended as it might be, it still could corrupt minds and lead them to a life of gambling...not likely, but possible, right? Gambling is addicting. ('Least it is in the US) And we all know how angry and upset people can be when they lose money, especially if they think they were cheated out of money.
Bugs, glitches, and game errors happen. If that causes someone to lose a game (I know i'm not alone in saying i've lost because of a system error) and therefore lose money, how are you gonna correct that? Just tell em "tough luck" or credit the money they lost to an account....and furthermore, how can you tell if it's a genuine error, or just someone that got mad because they lost?
I'm not trying to put down your game. Sorry if it seems like that. I'm just stating my honest opinion. I don't think gambling should be implemented on an internet pool site...to many variables that have to be factored in. People take their money seriously.
My opinion:
How are you really gonna mandate who plays and who doesn't? Every country has different laws about legal gambling ages. You said you were gonna set the site age requirement to 18. Here in the USA, the legal gambling age is 21. Anyone can simply say they are legal age and borrow mom and dads card...or even someone with a bank card...i know i had a debit card at 15.
Money is the root of all evil. Bringing money into something like this can be, in my opinion, a dangerous game. As well intended as it might be, it still could corrupt minds and lead them to a life of gambling...not likely, but possible, right? Gambling is addicting. ('Least it is in the US) And we all know how angry and upset people can be when they lose money, especially if they think they were cheated out of money.
Bugs, glitches, and game errors happen. If that causes someone to lose a game (I know i'm not alone in saying i've lost because of a system error) and therefore lose money, how are you gonna correct that? Just tell em "tough luck" or credit the money they lost to an account....and furthermore, how can you tell if it's a genuine error, or just someone that got mad because they lost?
I'm not trying to put down your game. Sorry if it seems like that. I'm just stating my honest opinion. I don't think gambling should be implemented on an internet pool site...to many variables that have to be factored in. People take their money seriously.
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08:52 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Can everything you just posted not happen on an online poker site too? I don't know because I have never played them. Perhaps niall or ul_son can answer that.
Personally I don't particularly like the idea either for loads of other reasons but I know what people will say to that, and quite rightly too, 'don't play it then.'
Personally I don't particularly like the idea either for loads of other reasons but I know what people will say to that, and quite rightly too, 'don't play it then.'
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10:04 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Poker sites use 'random card generator' software to determine the cards that are dealt in a hand, it is legit but questions do remain as to how 'random' it is, they always say that when there's one card left to come out on the board and your opponent needs to get 1 of the 3 remaining cards in the deck...and does...quite often, then there will always be disputes as to whether the computer has 'cheated' you out of the hand, and ultimitely the money. Some software is more reputible than others so for instance in this case it's easy to protest with your feet and not play on those sites anymore. Cant do that here.
Regarding the whole gambling issues..bla bla bla, the only way to monitor whether someone is of legal age to play (ie. 18) photo ID must be sent to admin to deterine proof of age. Anyone who is 18 is an adult, is responsible for their own actions in the eyes of the law and has the right to choose what action they take in life. That being said, they are also mature enough to understand that they are gambling and it too has it's risks...big deal, a few quid doesnt hurt anyone except the 10 year old's pocket money.
If someone wants to play killer and gamble for a few quid, and there's a site willing to host these game, brilliant, let them do what they want. Nobody has the right to deny them if of course its all legal. If it's not for you, stay away and mind your own business, it doesnt concern you.
Nick, site's great, lose the ticker and good luck with it :)
Regarding the whole gambling issues..bla bla bla, the only way to monitor whether someone is of legal age to play (ie. 18) photo ID must be sent to admin to deterine proof of age. Anyone who is 18 is an adult, is responsible for their own actions in the eyes of the law and has the right to choose what action they take in life. That being said, they are also mature enough to understand that they are gambling and it too has it's risks...big deal, a few quid doesnt hurt anyone except the 10 year old's pocket money.
If someone wants to play killer and gamble for a few quid, and there's a site willing to host these game, brilliant, let them do what they want. Nobody has the right to deny them if of course its all legal. If it's not for you, stay away and mind your own business, it doesnt concern you.
Nick, site's great, lose the ticker and good luck with it :)
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11:04 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
I hardly think that Admin, however many there will be, will make the time to acquire photo ID from every individual who plays. That's going a little outside the box, don't you think? Anyone can save a random ID onto their computer and send it in. You cannot gamble in the US unless you are 21 - so the question is, how will Admin target the under-agers of multiple countries?
We have a different currency over here, so no matter what system you use to pay, people from the US and others, I'm sure, will always pay just a little bit more to make up the difference.
However, and I don't know if this is implemented or not, but maybe there could be an option to gamble real money for those that want to, and are of age, and then there could be what's there now - "Fun money". Winning games would win you more fun money. That way, you get the satisfaction of "gambling" but don't lose real money.
ul_son said:
Poker sites use 'random card generator' software to determine the cards that are dealt in a hand, it is legit but questions do remain as to how 'random' it is, they always say that when there's one card left to come out on the board and your opponent needs to get 1 of the 3 remaining cards in the deck...and does...quite often, then there will always be disputes as to whether the computer has 'cheated' you out of the hand, and ultimitely the money. Some software is more reputible than others so for instance in this case it's easy to protest with your feet and not play on those sites anymore. Cant do that here.
Regarding the whole gambling issues..bla bla bla, the only way to monitor whether someone is of legal age to play (ie. 18) photo ID must be sent to admin to deterine proof of age. Anyone who is 18 is an adult, is responsible for their own actions in the eyes of the law and has the right to choose what action they take in life. That being said, they are also mature enough to understand that they are gambling and it too has it's risks...big deal, a few quid doesnt hurt anyone except the 10 year old's pocket money.
If someone wants to play killer and gamble for a few quid, and there's a site willing to host these game, brilliant, let them do what they want. Nobody has the right to deny them if of course its all legal. If it's not for you, stay away and mind your own business, it doesnt concern you.
Nick, site's great, lose the ticker and good luck with it :)
Regarding the whole gambling issues..bla bla bla, the only way to monitor whether someone is of legal age to play (ie. 18) photo ID must be sent to admin to deterine proof of age. Anyone who is 18 is an adult, is responsible for their own actions in the eyes of the law and has the right to choose what action they take in life. That being said, they are also mature enough to understand that they are gambling and it too has it's risks...big deal, a few quid doesnt hurt anyone except the 10 year old's pocket money.
If someone wants to play killer and gamble for a few quid, and there's a site willing to host these game, brilliant, let them do what they want. Nobody has the right to deny them if of course its all legal. If it's not for you, stay away and mind your own business, it doesnt concern you.
Nick, site's great, lose the ticker and good luck with it :)
I hardly think that Admin, however many there will be, will make the time to acquire photo ID from every individual who plays. That's going a little outside the box, don't you think? Anyone can save a random ID onto their computer and send it in. You cannot gamble in the US unless you are 21 - so the question is, how will Admin target the under-agers of multiple countries?
We have a different currency over here, so no matter what system you use to pay, people from the US and others, I'm sure, will always pay just a little bit more to make up the difference.
However, and I don't know if this is implemented or not, but maybe there could be an option to gamble real money for those that want to, and are of age, and then there could be what's there now - "Fun money". Winning games would win you more fun money. That way, you get the satisfaction of "gambling" but don't lose real money.
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11:27 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
I think the full red power bar is quite ugly. The funkypool and funkysnooker ones with their white border look better.
Another question: how are you going to detect people who set each other up? That tactic could be really efficient on long-term, if the cheaters are well organized, and the fact real money will be played will surely increase the number of such cheaters, compared to funkysnooker/funkypool, where it's still a rare issue.
Another question: how are you going to detect people who set each other up? That tactic could be really efficient on long-term, if the cheaters are well organized, and the fact real money will be played will surely increase the number of such cheaters, compared to funkysnooker/funkypool, where it's still a rare issue.
My global, personal opinion about the site is that I wouldn't like to gamble in a game involving such a part of luck as killer... I would therefore only consider playing 1vs1 games, which are much more skill-related.
...After all I guess that involving a good part of luck is one of the main goals of this site, so it's actually gambling (probably much less people would play the game if it was just skill related). I think I just don't like gambling in general!
...After all I guess that involving a good part of luck is one of the main goals of this site, so it's actually gambling (probably much less people would play the game if it was just skill related). I think I just don't like gambling in general!
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12:46 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
I only have 1 fault with it, that the noise it make truly put me off while the timer is going.
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16:31 Tue 14 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Actually FYI this is implemented in many gambling sites, and primarily acts as a discailmer so that the host site is not SUED! Yes it is exploitable, as it is on any gambling site where forged documents are accepted. It is the only method available that is legally acceptable to allow such a site to exist. Whether killerpool follow up on it is their business.
Well you cant gamble full stop on gambling sites if you hold an American IP address and your funds come from an American bank following laws passed in a couple of years ago to tackle gambling in the US. Again there is software available to get around this and it is not policed.
All poker sites in the mainstream deal in US. dollars, we deposit euros and end up with $ in our accound and play with those limits. Works booth ways and is based on the exchange rate. You will be paying the exact same..
£1 = $1.6314
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I hardly think that Admin, however many there will be, will make the time to acquire photo ID from every individual who plays. That's going a little outside the box, don't you think?
Actually FYI this is implemented in many gambling sites, and primarily acts as a discailmer so that the host site is not SUED! Yes it is exploitable, as it is on any gambling site where forged documents are accepted. It is the only method available that is legally acceptable to allow such a site to exist. Whether killerpool follow up on it is their business.
katie_bug said:
You cannot gamble in the US unless you are 21 - so the question is, how will Admin target the under-agers of multiple countries?
Well you cant gamble full stop on gambling sites if you hold an American IP address and your funds come from an American bank following laws passed in a couple of years ago to tackle gambling in the US. Again there is software available to get around this and it is not policed.
katie_bug said:
We have a different currency over here, so no matter what system you use to pay, people from the US and others, I'm sure, will always pay just a little bit more to make up the difference.
All poker sites in the mainstream deal in US. dollars, we deposit euros and end up with $ in our accound and play with those limits. Works booth ways and is based on the exchange rate. You will be paying the exact same..
£1 = $1.6314
07:43 Wed 15 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
For killer pool "sensitive cue power" is on by default.
Regarding the other points, this is a matter of logistics already faced by all other online gambling sites so isn't an area we need to pioneer.
psyco05 said:
Still having problems with the cue power.
My opinion:
How are you really gonna mandate who plays and who doesn't? Every country has different laws about legal gambling ages. You said you were gonna set the site age requirement to 18. Here in the USA, the legal gambling age is 21. Anyone can simply say they are legal age and borrow mom and dads card...or even someone with a bank card...i know i had a debit card at 15.
Money is the root of all evil. Bringing money into something like this can be, in my opinion, a dangerous game. As well intended as it might be, it still could corrupt minds and lead them to a life of gambling...not likely, but possible, right? Gambling is addicting. ('Least it is in the US) And we all know how angry and upset people can be when they lose money, especially if they think they were cheated out of money.
Bugs, glitches, and game errors happen. If that causes someone to lose a game (I know i'm not alone in saying i've lost because of a system error) and therefore lose money, how are you gonna correct that? Just tell em "tough luck" or credit the money they lost to an account....and furthermore, how can you tell if it's a genuine error, or just someone that got mad because they lost?
I'm not trying to put down your game. Sorry if it seems like that. I'm just stating my honest opinion. I don't think gambling should be implemented on an internet pool site...to many variables that have to be factored in. People take their money seriously.
My opinion:
How are you really gonna mandate who plays and who doesn't? Every country has different laws about legal gambling ages. You said you were gonna set the site age requirement to 18. Here in the USA, the legal gambling age is 21. Anyone can simply say they are legal age and borrow mom and dads card...or even someone with a bank card...i know i had a debit card at 15.
Money is the root of all evil. Bringing money into something like this can be, in my opinion, a dangerous game. As well intended as it might be, it still could corrupt minds and lead them to a life of gambling...not likely, but possible, right? Gambling is addicting. ('Least it is in the US) And we all know how angry and upset people can be when they lose money, especially if they think they were cheated out of money.
Bugs, glitches, and game errors happen. If that causes someone to lose a game (I know i'm not alone in saying i've lost because of a system error) and therefore lose money, how are you gonna correct that? Just tell em "tough luck" or credit the money they lost to an account....and furthermore, how can you tell if it's a genuine error, or just someone that got mad because they lost?
I'm not trying to put down your game. Sorry if it seems like that. I'm just stating my honest opinion. I don't think gambling should be implemented on an internet pool site...to many variables that have to be factored in. People take their money seriously.
For killer pool "sensitive cue power" is on by default.
Regarding the other points, this is a matter of logistics already faced by all other online gambling sites so isn't an area we need to pioneer.
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18:20 Wed 15 Jul 09 (BST) [Link]
Since every other point I made was shot down, what about the last one?
katie_bug said:
However, and I don't know if this is implemented or not, but maybe there could be an option to gamble real money for those that want to, and are of age, and then there could be what's there now - "Fun money". Winning games would win you more fun money. That way, you get the satisfaction of "gambling" but don't lose real money.
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