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Straight Pool, possible solution to resolve the issue of potting two balls in one shot

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14:46 Tue 13 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'd like to see something like.. view every banned user and profile stats.
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15:12 Tue 13 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
walker666 said:
an1h0ny said:
Pretty good idea for the Us games at least

btw who is the banned user?


It was yorkie_87 . On a separate note (can't be bothered to start a new thread), could we not have a list somewhere of people who have been recently banned, I for one would be entertained and interested to see if anyone I know of has been banned.


Why is it that i think you're post will be edited soon?

Don't name and shame pal it's against the forum rules
walker666
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15:20 Tue 13 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
OK Mr. Moderator, sorry to offend you. Half the time when a player gets banned retrospectively, you can see his name on the quoted bits further down the page. So in my eyes I haven't named and shamed. I don't think he'd be offended
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15:25 Tue 13 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I bet he's reading this forum in anger and can't do anything

Edited at 21:56 Tue 13/01/09 (GMT)
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17:21 Tue 13 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
lol

Banned players usually have done something to deserve it. And... that's it, basically!

Now, back on topic folks
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it was me that was banned! all resolved now!no offence taken, it was reviewed and deemed unfair!

was worried what i was going to do with my day when im at work!
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03:37 Tue 20 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
wasnt sure where to post so thought here would do lol

I have had an idea would it be possible that when in straight tourny have the scores so the rest of us in tourny can see how others are doin or if we are waiting etc.

Hope that makes sense.
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05:29 Tue 20 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
do u mean instead of games won by the player in the current tourney game, they show what there score is in the game to get and idea of where the game is at.

That is a good idea
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09:23 Tue 20 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yes that is what i mean i could think of the word earlier lol.

So wot do others think
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17:07 Tue 20 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
yup
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have a button where you can press if your going to pot two balls and if you dont pot two its visit over maybe?
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16:57 Thu 22 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Ummm...... Wouldn't work. Everybody would press it in advance of every shot.
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If you press it and you dont pot two balls after pressing it your visit is over.
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11:01 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
clooneman said:
Hey Nick and all, here's my idea. If two balls go in, perhaps it can be possible to check if the ball that was hit first was one of the two balls. This would validate the vast majority of shots in which two or more balls go in, which mostly happen when you pot your intended ball and the white goes along and knocks another ball in.

What do the rest of the FP'ers think about this change, and what does Nick think about being able to implement this in code?


The requirement to pot one ball, and one ball only, is an intended mechanism for that game type. It's not a bug, or a problem.

Discussing whether or not the game should be something different than what it is is obviously ok, but don't confuse it with a problem that needs solving.

Personally I like having to avoid other balls from going in. It adds another level of difficulty to the game.
walker666
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11:09 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yeah the rule is pants though if you're on a decent break, get yourself a nice angle to break into the pack, pot your ball, open the balls up nicely and an additional ball rolls in. So whats the fun in playing it? And tapping into the pack constantly ala arcade snooker doesn't seem fun to me. Rant over
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walker666 said:
Yeah the rule is pants though if you're on a decent break, get yourself a nice angle to break into the pack, pot your ball, open the balls up nicely and an additional ball rolls in. So whats the fun in playing it? And tapping into the pack constantly ala arcade snooker doesn't seem fun to me. Rant over

Do you mean the additional ball rolled in because 'you didn't' open (As the game type requires) the balls up nicely?

I honestly believe that bringing in a rule which allows multiple balls to be potted would kill the game to a large extent. Yes some people would be happier because they can produce high runs on a regular basis without fear of making a mistake, but surely this would come at the cost of the smarter positional and power play going out of the window?

As it stands less experienced players have a chance in competition by following the current rule set, because even top class players make mistakes and leave the door open for the opposition to have a pop. Allowing 2 balls to pocket as a legal shot would destroy that balance and the end result would most likely be a player missing a single shot and spending the rest of the match knowing they will not be getting another chance.

That doesn't sound like much fun to me.

Edited at 18:23 Fri 23/01/09 (GMT)
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12:45 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
peace said:

I honestly believe that bringing in a rule which allows multiple balls to be potted would kill the game to a large extent. Yes some people would be happier because they can produce high runs on a regular basis without fear of making a mistake, but surely this would come at the cost of the smarter positional and power play going out of the window?


Very nicely put.

I also think people are forgetting that their opponent would also have the same rule. This means the play would turnover less and therefore the finish line may have to be extended to allow the same balance.
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13:20 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
The points that peace and nick makes are all very well, but.....

1. the idea of straight pool in real life is to pot your balls in such an order so that you can leave yourself a decent angle on the last ball to bash into the balls in the next rack, that is where the skill element comes into the game. The point of playing is not to play the cannon into the pack with controlled pace (so you don't pot 2) in the hope that you land on one of the 3 or 4 balls that have split free so that you can then cannon back into the pack.

2. if I am playing a decent player, I know that player must fancy their chances of putting a decent run together once the balls have been opened up. My next hope would then be that they are unlucky when they split the balls at the start of the next rack, often, as described above, when they inadvertantly plant another ball in a pocket. Then it is my turn to clear the balls on that frame. Now as far as I can see the game then comes down to who is luckiest with the split.

3. None of the top players are going to be intentionally going for a pot with more pace than they need just on the off chance that they might knock another ball in if they were to miss the one they are going for. In that sense bringing a rule in where 2 balls potted is allowed is going to help the hit n hope ("less experienced") merchants who just play full power every shot anyway.
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13:22 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
Any game on here should reward the better player with the win, as soon as the playing field is evened up by a rule which handicaps the better player, it can only be bad for the game, in my opinion. Sorry Nick, but that Mosconi record is never going to be broken with the rules as they are.
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13:48 Fri 23 Jan 09 (GMT)  [Link]  
I think point 1 is the same in funkypool and real life, in that you want to open the rack gently, initially freeing just a few balls (a bit like snooker).

However, even very good players don't manage to clear the whole table often.

The top 50 pot success is just over 80%, which means the average run is just over 4 before missing 1. (That statistic is a bit low because it counts safety play, but I haven't seen *so* much safety that it would alter it that much).

If you clear the table each time you come in play I'd say you are at least 95% sure to win the match. Therefore the luck element has to be lowest of all the games.

I disagree that allowing 2 balls will help skillful players over hit'n'hopers. Potting a ball accidentally should never happen to a skillful player, and happens more often for people who smash the balls. The aim of straight pool is to benefit those who can pot and control.
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