I think that this option should come when you upgrade to premium

I can see the points your saying, Jan, they make sense, but it just aint that simple and they're already at you disposal, to be fair.

It's fair to say they should decide who plays in their room or not, but they can decide who they play or not right now! Creating another room, no bother atall, really it takes 2 ticks.
Can you not see the point?

With the option to boot players from your game room, surely you can see that people will use it just so they can annoy people? Not many will use it to get rid if annoying players, for a couple of reasons..

1) The scenario aflumpire described doesn't happen all that often, when it does, I just can't see why you can't go create another room, instead you want this option? It just doesn't make sense to me lol.

2) Offensive behaviour only really takes off when the game is taking place, backing up the pointless arguement.

It's just so pointless. If someone refuses to move, Move on, be the bigger man/women and avoid the trouble. if someone is offensive towards you, send a complaint, they get dealt with.

Nothing needs to be implemented to deal with aflumpire's problem he described, maybe a bit of patience, less laziness if you like.

Edited at 14:18 Sun 4/01/09 (GMT)

Booting from a room is good. It actually saves arguements for people that are being provoked or bitched at constantly.

Gonna bring a scenario into the picture.

12 man winner stays on - someone enters..loses. wont leave...What now? 11 people migrate to a new room? hardly fair because of one idiot !

Very true, but..

That is very rare, and to implement something that will cause problems, such as provoking extra abuse and cause as much annoyance to members as it solves, on that scenario, is pointless.

No, we are discussing functionality we do not already have at our disposal. If you think we do, we are clearly debating different things here.

There ARE work-arounds to the problem that triggered this thread and they have been pointed out both by yourself and others, but they are all poor solutions that a "game owner kick mandate" would solve far better.



Quite frankly, YOU are missing the point here. Yes, that is a work-around, but it does not provide the capability players want: Have a public room where anyone can join to play and watch, at the discretion of the game owner.

Making new games whenever encountering a disruptive player is a bad solution since it hampers spectators, the disruptive player can follow into new rooms, etc. The fundamental issue is that the game owner shouldn't have to use such work-arounds to get the game setup the way you want.



I fail to see any problem with that. If you join a game room and get kicked, then fair enough. The game owner does not want you there and you stay away from him/her from then on... Better for all parts, since you yourself also waste less time discovering that you are dealing with a player who does not want you there.



Because it hinders the ability to have the game open to spectators and non-invited players.



Spectators could be kicked at any time.

If the game is already going, both players have already given their consensus to start the game, and the game owner will have the ability to kick as soon as the game finishes - which is miles better than having to wait for a moderator and having to prove the abuse to have any action take place

Exactly.

Abusive players should be the losing party in such cases, not everyone else.

As long as the offended party has to use work-arounds to get around abusement like mentioned here, that in fact ENCOURAGES abusive players since the system allow them to achieve something through their abuse.

A system where the good guys simply can remove abusers will do the very opposite, since abusive players know they wont get anywhere or achieve anything.

Totally agree with the points jan has made in this thread. As long as you cannot boot an opponent once a game has started, which has already been covered above, then I cant see how it could be abused.

If two players wished to involve themselves in a childish spat of invite/boot and then vice versa then let them get on with it - at least that shouldnt affect anyone else.


I think its important to remember we are only talking of booting to a chat room and not from the site. I'm sure Jan covered it already above but once booted that player shouldnt be allowed to re-enter the same game room.


If it could be implemented I cant really see a negative to it.......... obviously apart from the fact that it means there are people that use this site whose actions mean it had to be implemented in the first place

I played that guy three times (we made a 'deal') and he still didnt leave! The game room was called league game, so if anyone wanted to watch, then they were wondering what the heck was going on!

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On multiplayer Yahoo games, the room owner does have the power to use the boot button. But you would be surprised how often its not used.

Thats because if you keep booting people, then everyone is just going to say 'dont go there, your just going to get booted'.

I believe you should be able to boot some one.

BUT before or after the match not during.

Thats the only fair way.

I've read through the whole thread, and nothing has been brought up which has not been discussed before.

The simple fact is that if you have a problem with a player, you should be the one to leave the room.

Nobody "owns" a room, its just a game for everyone.

If you encounter an abusive player, report them, then put them on ignore, then no matter where you are, they are for all intents and purposes invisible to you.

If you need to be even more selective about who you play, then join games instead of creating them.

There is quite simply no sceanario where one player booting another from a room, in a free game played for fun, is necessary.

As for winner stays on, its no different to any other game, just move on. For the next player to take over they have to change from watching to playing anyway, so moving a room is exactly the same.

The simple fact is that booting someone from a room is exactly the same as leaving it yourself, so is completely poinless.

Edited at 01:28 Mon 5/01/09 (GMT)

Nah, you don't understand. Things don't happen to admin like they do to normal players. Adding this as a room option for the 'Room owner' would greatly improve the general attitude and behaviour of the site. People wanting to play high ranked playerswont just be able to go to a room and say

'Oh play me'
'just one game'
' you scared? '
' i'd beat you '

etc etc etc.. its provocative and daaaamn annoying creating multiple games (i got up for 14r5's game 17 a few days back).. all because some annoying little git wont take no for an answer.

dont you know how to leave the room then and re-create a new game then ?, adding a BOOT BUTTON would just cause more grief and arguments, i have more chance of winning the lottery than a boot button added

If it was something time consuming and difficult to implement then I might agree with you spinner and say it wasnt worth it.

However if it is something that could be done easily enough then I totally disagree with you. Why should the disruptive element win? No matter how easy it is to just leave and create another room or join games already created why should you (and/or others) have to?

And if the game rooms are not 'owned' why is the word 'owner' used in the 'Find Room / Game' box?

It is a free game played for fun - so why not consider introducing something that may improve that experience and benefit the majority?

Presumably it would be an option and as is always said 'You can never have too many options'



Kev - you cant have grief or arguments with someone you cant actually communicate with. If this could be introduced easily enough it might actually cut back on the problems referred to here - I certainly cant see how it possibly makes things worse at all.

Edited at 16:57 Mon 5/01/09 (GMT)

Edited at 17:07 Mon 5/01/09 (GMT)

i wondered how long it would take you to reply to my post

OOER!

This is going to be one them threads!!!

We are always going to get the ood person causing trouble or being offensive or even just a pest in general that wont leave the room.

Would the 'boot button' be the same as the button Admin / Mods use? Would that mean they could boot in chat rooms?


( I still think you'd get ppl 'booting' just for novelty sake! )

well give an argument to support your thinking and your statement then like we all have



....lol only joking - to be honest the only negative I can see in the long term is the amount of work required to implement it. Any novelty value (if indeed there was any) would be just as the word novelty implies - a short term thing

I'm totally with Spinner with most of this.

The other point being, if people get a boot button in the room, will all boots be registered, if so will Admin/Mods have to sith through them? This will just cause more work for us, which I don't think is necessary!

If someone is following you around that much you can always send a complaint........

Dont see why a boot to a chat room should have to be registered at all but there may be a reason.

Youre talking about not having more unnecessary work to do and yet you are then asking people to complain if someone is following you or spoiling your gaming experience?

This could actually cut back on your unnecessary work if brought in properly.

How can it be a short term thing? People sign up daily, so maybe a novelty for some, but it'll keep ticking over because of the new signups everyday.

The points for make sense, if this game is startintg from scratch again. But now the options are there to get around this. I can't be bothered repeating myself, or others lol.


One thing I'd like to point out...
Your not exactly letting them win by creating a new room are you? If anything you're winning yourself because you have ignored them and shown that your not chilidish enough to rise and drop to their level (How many of you tell friends, family or funkypool mates to just ignore abusive people, send a complaint and move on? A fair few I suspect) And I'd bet a fair bit that they wont be around very long, offensive players usually aint !!

It's so pointless

Edited at 17:44 Mon 5/01/09 (GMT)

i think paula is right here, people will use it as a novelty a boot for fun.
knowing some players on here if you booted them from your room they will only come back and harrass you thats when the grief comes in, players will end up argueing and then complaints will be sent to admin to sort, they have enough to do already without all that extra work.

but ?


thats just my views on the BOOT BUTTON