something i noticed since being back on funkypool, don't know if anybody has posted this and i apologise if i have reposted it.

the original rules in funkypool and in general rules for 8 ball uk are that if no colours are remaining on the table and its only the black that only one shot is awarded for a foul, but now i've noticed that when i've fouled and we're both on the black that my opponent gets two shots which is against the pool rules, don't know if anybody else has noticed this and if it is a technical mistake as i for one would like to have the old rule back.

just to clarify if people misunderstand, this rule is in place after we have both potted our seven colours and there is only the black when i foul as i know that if one of thier colours is remaining and i foul on the black that they will then have two shots on the black if the pot all thier colours without missing

Edited at 06:53 Thu 18/12/08 (GMT)

One shot on the black was an original rule? Hmmm... I like it how it is though

Leads to a load of deliberate fouls, half hour long frames and a good few DQs in tourneys. But yeah some folk play it in real life but it is in none of the official rules, but then i'm a pool snob when it comes to rules

Edited at 10:46 Thu 18/12/08 (GMT)

Thats a negative shripman12, the actual rule is 2 shots on the black (if you get 2 shots of course!).

The bit in bold wot u mean?

I like the way its done now tbh

thanks for bringing this up mate, the official rules is one shot hence why i put that up, but tbh i agree with the rest of you, most pros would deliberately foul to stop the other player potting black if they cudn't play it, which i think is unfair, now it gives you more of a chance to pot it

1 shot on the black is an informal pub rule.

Same as the last pocket rule, rules vary in so many places!

or if no ball is pocketed off break then the next player nominates a colour even if they dont pot one

It's always a good one to call when you're far behind though!

On a side note:

I remember once in my local I was playing an out-of-towner. As in any pub, there are local and peculiar rules. As the game progressed, I enlightened him to more and more rules as was necessary and as they came up, e.g. shots don't carry, no playing back table after a scratch if you're on the black, black has to go clean in i.e. without hitting another ball (bar multiple contacts with the white), back table after a scratch is allowed only if both players are on the black, that sort of thing.

Of course, I made sure to inform him of each rule before he played a shot that might have violated it. Naturally, this gradual rolling out of provincial diktats and ordinances left him with a not-to-happy countenance at game's end. As you can guess from the order in which I mentioned the four examples above, he potted his way to the black, I went in-off at some stage, he couldn't hit his black directly by aiming back table, he couldn't make the black off another ball... and finally when I got to the black and he scratched, I could shoot back table at it.

Or at least I think that was the order of events. In any case, more and more was he thwarted by my "friendly" legal advice, and more and more disgruntled he became. Silent but facially evident was the disgust on his face as he traipsed off in defeat.

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I've learned my sporting lesson; acquaint your opponent with all of the rules as they might occur, beginning with the best possible mix of the most fundamental (e.g. shots do/don't carry), the least verbose (e.g. ditto, no back table) and the most potentially crucial (e.g. pick pocket/stick pocket/black must go clean in/one shot on the black/etc). The more rarely invoked, trivial ones (for example, what group of colours are you on when your opponent fouls by potting the first one? that sort of thing) can wait till they happen.

Hope you enjoyed

lol this one made me laugh, well i fr one am all for the new rules

the bit that confused me was that the rules before were only 1 shot, when did ya change them nick, i've been away a while lol so it's all changed, ahhh

2 shots carry at all times is nice Max punishment for the offender. Otherwise, very wily players could commit deliberate foul safeties, safe in the knowledge that the opponent would have just one shot on, say, an unpottable black.

On a side note (oh no not again...)

Today I won my first frame through planting the black after a foul. Sweet.

EIDT: Actually, it was frame 2 of the match described in the top of page 1 of http://www.funkypool.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=14485

Edited at 00:11 Wed 24/12/08 (GMT)

I'll input my two cents into this.. and will also bring up a few things that i've noticed that are funkypool tweaks.

I think the ruling on the black ball is fine, eliminates the purpose foul that was eliminated with the bringing of New World Rules (Not necessarily Funkypool rules).

One sour point that i'll add, i do think the golden break is a little harsh for the person losing to it, i've even seen certain people calling it a 'skill' to get one. Maybe its just me, but looking at the top 10 golden breakers (UK 8 ball only) looks a little like this

Games played/2= B B/X(representing golden breaks) = Z%

The way i worked, the AVERAGE % of the top 10 golden breakers is little under 2%, NO WAY can you call anything that low percentage a skill. I think possibly adding a no ranking loss clause and/or it resulting in a re-rack would be a great way to go on this.

/Essay!

It's been mentioned before, but the most sensible option regarding golden breaks would be to award the breaker the points and the win but reducing nothing of the opponent who's been done by the golden break.

Fair all round.

woah woah woah, no matter how much i like you ste i have to disagree, how is it fair that somebody should automatically win the match if the pot black on the break, to me that is a foul and should be treated as a foul, i think we should get rid of the golden breaks rule for that and have a golden break as break and 7 balling straight after, not for potting black, if you pot a black by mistake in the game its not classed as a golden mistake, same principles

Agreed.

If the person who is the 'victim' of a golden break does not lose any ranking points from it, surely that is the best compromise in order to keep golden breaks as an achievement.

Edited at 17:07 Wed 24/12/08 (GMT)

why have golden breaks that is my point, do away with golden breaks, we never had them originally in funkypool and nobody minded then, i think it's stupid and should be removed, no if's not buts, just remove it!
take it back to old school rules, i like the new games, don't like the golden breaks, some of us can't do them, and some people do it accidently and then bang the other person has lost the game, not fair guys and you people that gloat about golden breaks should be ashamed, it isn't right

Edited at 08:44 Mon 29/12/08 (GMT)