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05:35 Wed 19 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
I'll startwith and easy one:
(492+ 652)/4
Once you have answered it then you have to put a sum up for the next person to answer
A post an answer
a post a question
(492+ 652)/4
Once you have answered it then you have to put a sum up for the next person to answer
A post an answer
a post a question
10:59 Wed 19 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
I'm gonna do this in my head...
1144/4
is...
286!!!
1144/4
is...
286!!!
18:10 Wed 19 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Another good maths thread would be a guess the sequence one. ie. i put :
{1, 4, 12, 40, 84, 172...}
And the person has to guess the sequence
= 2n+4 in this case
{1, 4, 12, 40, 84, 172...}
And the person has to guess the sequence
= 2n+4 in this case
18:29 Wed 19 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Then... shouldn't it have begun with 0?
Anyhow, my sum is:
142857 x 7
Anyhow, my sum is:
142857 x 7
06:48 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
right, now we'll take it to a higher level:
dy/dx (sin 3x)^(2-x)
ift no one can solve it before saturday, i shall post an easier one
dy/dx (sin 3x)^(2-x)
ift no one can solve it before saturday, i shall post an easier one
10:15 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Oooh, nasty... What was that chain rule again?
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x)
So...
dy/dx (sin 3x)^(2-x)
=
d{(sin 3x)^(2-x)}/d{(sin 3x)}
times
d{(sin 3x)}/d{3x}
times
d(3x)/dx
=
(2-x)(sin 3x)^(1-x).(cos 3x).3
= (6-3x)(cos 3x)(sin 3x)^(1-x)
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x)
So...
dy/dx (sin 3x)^(2-x)
=
d{(sin 3x)^(2-x)}/d{(sin 3x)}
times
d{(sin 3x)}/d{3x}
times
d(3x)/dx
=
(2-x)(sin 3x)^(1-x).(cos 3x).3
= (6-3x)(cos 3x)(sin 3x)^(1-x)
10:27 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Is that right?
dy/dx = (dy/dv)(dv/dx), innit? (
Perhaps I'd better make that look a bit more accessible
Let u = 3x
Let v = sin u
y = v^(2-x)
So...
u = 3x
du/dx = 3
v = sin 3x = sin u
dv/dx
= dv/du x du/dx
= 3(cos u)
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x) = (sin u)^(2-x) = v^(2-x)
dy/dx
= dy/dv x dv/dx
=...
And that's where I get stuck on a technicality, cos:
y = v^(2-x)
so dy/dv is hampered by the x, isn't it? Anyone?
dy/dx = (dy/dv)(dv/dx), innit? (
Perhaps I'd better make that look a bit more accessible
Let u = 3x
Let v = sin u
y = v^(2-x)
So...
u = 3x
du/dx = 3
v = sin 3x = sin u
dv/dx
= dv/du x du/dx
= 3(cos u)
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x) = (sin u)^(2-x) = v^(2-x)
dy/dx
= dy/dv x dv/dx
=...
And that's where I get stuck on a technicality, cos:
y = v^(2-x)
so dy/dv is hampered by the x, isn't it? Anyone?
10:31 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Are we doing algebra?
I havent been tought that that yet!!
I havent been tought that that yet!!
11:18 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
y = n^x
dy/dx =... (log x) n^x or something
Edited at 17:19 Thu 20/12/07 (GMT)
dy/dx =... (log x) n^x or something
Edited at 17:19 Thu 20/12/07 (GMT)
12:24 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
No, here it is:
y = n^x
dy/dx = (log n) n^x
And, if y = n^v where v is some function of x,
then dy/dx = (log n)n^v · dv/dx.
So, starting again:
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x)
Let u = 3x
Let v = sin u
Let w = 2-x
Let y = v^w
So...
u = 3x
du/dx = 3
v = sin 3x = sin u
dv/dx
= dv/du · du/dx
= 3(cos u)
= 3(cos 3x)
w = 2-x
dw/dx = -1
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x) = (sin u)^(2-x) = v^(2-x) = v^w
dy/dx
= log v · v^w · dw/dx · dv/dx (I hope)
= (log sin 3x)((sin 3x)^(2-x))(-1)(3)(cos 3x)
=-3(log sin 3x)((sin 3x)^(2-x))(cos 3x)
That can't be right, can it?
y = n^x
dy/dx = (log n) n^x
And, if y = n^v where v is some function of x,
then dy/dx = (log n)n^v · dv/dx.
So, starting again:
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x)
Let u = 3x
Let v = sin u
Let w = 2-x
Let y = v^w
So...
u = 3x
du/dx = 3
v = sin 3x = sin u
dv/dx
= dv/du · du/dx
= 3(cos u)
= 3(cos 3x)
w = 2-x
dw/dx = -1
y = (sin 3x)^(2-x) = (sin u)^(2-x) = v^(2-x) = v^w
dy/dx
= log v · v^w · dw/dx · dv/dx (I hope)
= (log sin 3x)((sin 3x)^(2-x))(-1)(3)(cos 3x)
=-3(log sin 3x)((sin 3x)^(2-x))(cos 3x)
That can't be right, can it?
12:26 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Hmmm... I know... you're gonna say the way to do it is
(sin 3x)^(2-x)
= (sin 3x)²/(sin 3x)^x
and use the quotient rule, aren't ya!!!
(sin 3x)^(2-x)
= (sin 3x)²/(sin 3x)^x
and use the quotient rule, aren't ya!!!
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15:18 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Personally I lack the ability to solve such problems, however, I do have the ability to find out
I asked on another site and a lot of people came up with a lot of answers...
I chose this one...
Chain Rule:
y = (u)^2-x
u = sin3x
dy/dx = (2u - xu)^(1-x) * du
du = 3cos3x
dy/dx = (2sin3x - xsin3x)^(1-x) * (3cos3x)
I asked on another site and a lot of people came up with a lot of answers...
I chose this one...
Maths Genius! said:
Chain Rule:
y = (u)^2-x
u = sin3x
dy/dx = (2u - xu)^(1-x) * du
du = 3cos3x
dy/dx = (2sin3x - xsin3x)^(1-x) * (3cos3x)
17:31 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
You was!!!
madmiketyson said:
clooneman- was i right?
You was!!!
17:33 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Chain Rule:
y = (u)^2-x
u = sin3x
dy/dx = (2u - xu)^(1-x) * du
du = 3cos3x
dy/dx = (2sin3x - xsin3x)^(1-x) * (3cos3x)
Really? And no log in there? Hmmmmm.....
dark_cloud said:
Maths Genius! said:
Chain Rule:
y = (u)^2-x
u = sin3x
dy/dx = (2u - xu)^(1-x) * du
du = 3cos3x
dy/dx = (2sin3x - xsin3x)^(1-x) * (3cos3x)
Really? And no log in there? Hmmmmm.....
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19:13 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
Errr...Arrr.......Ee......Eekk....
*Slowly Puts hands in pockets.......and veryyyy slowly turns around and walks away...hoping not to ever to bump into such a horrible thread again !*
*Slowly Puts hands in pockets.......and veryyyy slowly turns around and walks away...hoping not to ever to bump into such a horrible thread again !*
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19:17 Thu 20 Dec 07 (GMT) [Link]
I personally dont think it is possible...
Nowhere I have searched has gone, yeah here is the definitive answer.
It would be helpful if osullivanr replied
Nowhere I have searched has gone, yeah here is the definitive answer.
It would be helpful if osullivanr replied
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